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Post by Dan @ 09:19am 13/08/13 | 17 Comments
Microsoft has made another pre-launch change to the Xbox One console in response to community feedback, with Chief Platform Architect Marc Whitten confirming that the Kinect camera and motion control peripheral will no longer need to be plugged in at all times in order for the console to function.

The revelation came in response to an IGN community question, pondering if a broken Kinect would render an entire Xbox One unusable:
Xbox One is designed to work with Kinect plugged in. It makes gaming better in many ways – from the ability to say “Xbox On” and get right to your personalized homescreen, to the ability to control your TV through voice, Smartglass and more. Kinect allows you to search for your content, instantly move between games and your personalized dash and more with just your voice. Kinect helps you pick up and play by automatically knowing which controller you have in your hands. No more need to interrupt your friends game or navigate through multiple UI screens to sign in and tell the system which controller you are holding. It will even bind the controller to the console if its currently unbound – no searching for special buttons! Of course – these are just a few of the system wide benefits of having Kinect.

Games use Kinect in a variety of amazing ways from adding voice to control your squad mates to adding lean and other simple controls beyond the controller to full immersive gameplay. That said, like online, the console will still function if Kinect isn’t plugged in, although you won’t be able to use any feature or experience that explicitly uses the sensor.
Microsoft's Albert Penello elaborate on the decision over on the NeoGAF forums:
We still believe in Kinect. We aren’t interested in splitting the development base. The more demos I’ve seen, the more I’ve used it – the more impressed I am. The team feels strongly about Kinect, and I hope we’re able to prove that when you use it.

We also have a ton of privacy settings to allow people to turn off the camera, or microphones, or put it in a state just for “Xbox On” and IR blasting – there will be a lot of user control for that.

The thing we all understood, and hence this change, is that there are some scenarios where people just may not be comfortable. We wanted people to be 100% comfortable, so we allow the sensor to be unplugged. And clearly the “it dropped” scenario is possible.

The most obvious thing is watching a DVD/BD, or streaming a movie, or HDMI pass-through, your experience isn’t impacted (except you miss voice and IR blasting)

There is no “gotcha”, but obviously, if there is a game that REQUIRES Kinect (like Rivals), or something where Kinect IS the experience (like Skype), those won’t work.

That said, for people who have privacy concerns there are user control settings, which we believe are great.
So there you have it: each XBox One console will still come packaged with a Kinect, but you'll only have to plug it in for software that explicitly requires it.



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ravn0s
Posted 07:35pm 13/8/13
i've never seen a company do so many 180's in such a short time.
Mosfx
Posted 07:48pm 13/8/13
i've never seen a company do so many 180's in such a short time.


Well at least they are listening, I think Sony did the best thing, wait until Microsoft test the waters and then do what the Consumers want.

I wonder if consumers were supportive of the changes Microsoft wanted to the XboxOne and what Sony would of done as a result?
copuis
Posted 07:56pm 13/8/13
i've never seen a company do so many 180's in such a short time.



fits with what the name could have been

after all, a 360 is two 180's, and how much more powerful is the xbone?
Ha
Posted 08:00pm 13/8/13
to me this was always the big issue. having an always on microphone and camera in your living room / bedroom is f*****g egregious.
Eorl
Posted 08:07pm 13/8/13
fits with what the name could have been after all, a 360 is two 180's, and how much more powerful is the xbone?
At least 16 times as powerful just in the RAM, apparently 360 only had 512mb of it while Xbox One has 8GB. Honestly, I wasn't too miffed about the initial announcement of Xbox One, sounded interesting and exactly where the future was going, digital. All these changes haven't really made me think any differently, it still sounds like a good system and I've got one on pre-order along with Ryse and Dead Rising 3.

Like whatever console you want, its the games that count.
Khel
Posted 08:37pm 13/8/13
I find it kind of sad to be honest, because people are so stuck in their thinking and resistant to change, instead of getting anything that could actually be described as next gen and something that pushes things forward, we just get a shinier version of the PS3 or XBox 360. Technology changes very fast, but ways of thinking change very slowly.
Reverend Evil
Posted 09:35pm 13/8/13
Pretty retarded to make people have that kinect thing always hooked up. I don't have my 360 setup and only bring it out if mates come round to play it so it would be extremely gay to have to bring extra s*** out just to play games. Glad they changed it.
Herron
Posted 09:45pm 13/8/13
to me this was always the big issue. having an always on microphone and camera in your living room / bedroom is f*****g egregious.


Do you put tape over your phone and laptop cameras and have a noise generator playing while your phone is in your pocket?
Denthor
Posted 12:44pm 14/8/13
@Khel is it really progressive thinking tho? The only truly progressive thing i've seen this new kinect do is be able to tell when someone is looking at the screen (engaged) or how many people are watching T.V - that combined with Xbone integration into cable leads credence that its main reason for inclusion is a selling point to advertisers, not consumers - that would be incredibly valuable information to marketing people.

Being able to wave your hands around or issue voice commands in a game doesn't seem terribly appealing to me, maybe it is for other gamers. that combined with developers always developing for the lowest common denominator (cross platform) implies that any features would always be gimmicky at best.

@Herron you could always disable those features at the hardware level and the laptop/phone would still function. My understanding is that the xbone would not work at all without kinect plugged in and being active. I don't find it being overly paranoid given the recent Prism/NSA stuff.
Eorl
Posted 12:51pm 14/8/13
Denthor, sounds like you never saw this tech video of what the Kinect 2.0 can do (also Kinect is no longer necessary for the console to work). I'm largely in favour of new tech as it obviously stops the stagnation of old tech and a reliance on it. Will it succeed? Who knows really, but Microsoft have always been like this, especially with the original Xbox requiring DSL instead of dialup.

I think the only way the Kinect can succeed is by being packaged in with the console, otherwise the adoption rate won't be high enough that developers will care to push for new changes. Sure what we have now is just waggling but in hand form, but I really think there is some crazy potential with voice and gesture activation, just like Oculus Rift and the VR technology.

Khel
Posted 01:45pm 14/8/13
Yeah, I was pretty much just gonna say what Eorl did, Kinect 2.0 is actually a pretty awesome looking piece of kit, big step up. The recognising people and seeing when you're holding the controller and stuff are just software implementations that scratch the surface of what it can do, I'm actually pretty keen to see what people can really do with it, so hopefully this move doesn't jeopardise that too much.

I know MS say they're just doing it cos they everyone to be comfortable, but I think in some people's minds this is just going to validate their theories that there is something to be scared of, and there'll be a whole group of XBox One owners who never plug in a Kinect. Are developers going to be willing to really dive in and make a game leveraging Kinect 2.0 if they know they're going to immediately sell less because of the people who wont buy it who don't want to plug in their Kinect?

My understanding is that the xbone would not work at all without kinect plugged in and being active.


It used to not work unless the Kinect was plugged in, but you could always shut it off in the settings, and there was tonnes of privacy settings to control it. I'm sure if you wanted to be all conspiracy about it you could say "But what if turning it off in the settings doesn't really turn it off, and it still watches me and sends information about me to people", but if you're going to go down that road, where does it stop? Like Herron said, cameras in laptops are essentially always plugged in, most people leave webcams always plugged in, the camera and microphone on your phone is 'always plugged in'. What if theres software in your webcam drivers that make it keep sending video even when it looks off, or something in your phone that makes it record you and send it back without you knowing. Thats a deep, dark rabbit hole of crazy to go down.

Besides, does anyone REALLY think Microsoft could keep this stuff a secret once the XBone is out? As soon as its out, theres gonna be hackers and geeks pulling it apart and checking out every little thing it does, watching its network traffic and seeing what its sending, etc. Pretty much impossible for them to pull a shifty without someone noticing tbh, this isn't like Prism where the NSA is spying on stuff on a server somewhere outside of your control, this thing is sitting in your living room, you can monitor EXACTLY what it is doing.
Denthor
Posted 01:39pm 14/8/13
Yer Eorl i have seen that - its just not really my cup of tea. I have a fairly active lifestyle so when i want to chill and play a game i don't really want to be standing up waving my arms around or rearranging furniture to suit. Much rather grab a few beers and relax on the couch with a controller for an hour or two. I get the appeal of it - but i can't help and see it as a gimmick at best much like the Wii was. It's an advertisers wet dream tho - if every house hold had one of these monitoring peoples reactions or attention to adverts. The cynic in me just can't help but think that is the major reason for pushing it - i could be totally off the mark.

If i was chasing a VR experience something like the Oculus Rift with that omni directional treadmill would be the go but as you stated it would need numbers before any major publisher would develop for it and it would need games before any one really bought it - catch 22.
Herron
Posted 10:26pm 14/8/13
you could always disable those features at the hardware level and the laptop/phone would still function. My understanding is that the xbone would not work at all without kinect plugged in and being active. I don't find it being overly paranoid given the recent Prism/NSA stuff.


The point people make is that the baddies can still use that stuff even though you think you've disabled it. I'd like to know how you can disconnect my iPhone camera at the hardware level - or the camera built into my laptop - or the camera built into my smart tv? Point the kinect at the wall when you aren't using it, or just unplug it!
Fixah
Posted 12:03am 15/8/13
Kinect Sensor didn't bother me really and was going to preorder one anyway.

I'm thinking about preordering the Day 1 edition from Amazon.

2 question if you could be so kind to answer:

1) Will Amazon ship to OZ? I've put in my Oz address and it calculated shipping costs to here so i'm assuming they do?

2) Since the Xbox One is region free, the hardware and the games should all work fine here right? what about xbox live? i wouldn't have to create a Us live account or some jazz?
Khel
Posted 12:31am 15/8/13
I just pre-ordered one locally and decided to suck up the Australia tax this time. Does it actually work out significantly cheaper once you factor in shipping?
Eorl
Posted 07:17am 15/8/13
I just pre-ordered one locally and decided to suck up the Australia tax this time. Does it actually work out significantly cheaper once you factor in shipping?
Funny enough its "cheaper" in Australia then America, in the sense that we aren't paying a $100 difference but instead $50 between the two next-gen consoles. Still, both are marked up pretty ridiculously especially the PlayStation 4, $399 in America and yet its $550 here.
Fixah
Posted 02:34pm 15/8/13
I just pre-ordered one locally and decided to suck up the Australia tax this time. Does it actually work out significantly cheaper once you factor in shipping?
Shipping from amazon is $16 for expedited shipping (8 to16 days) or $25 for priority shipping (2-5 days) to my brisbane address, which i think very reasonable. So I'm looking at $525 all up and would get it in a few days - perhaps not so much day 1 edition after all but with that $75 I could buy another game or controller or put it towards a fight stick to play KI which is going to be another $150 - $200. S*** adds up son.
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