Tab is my change camera key, I'm starting to think that the reason 'drop' and 'favourite' don't work is because they're remapped to keys which don't match the onscreen labels now (have to figure out whatever the default key mapping was, can't seem to get it back).

How can it get rated 10 with no MP?
Dead Island has MP.

I don't believe a game should be able to get a 10/10, essentially you are saying it cannot in any way be improved.

How else are we to interpret it when BF3 gets a 9.8 or whatever it was?

Skyrim's review according to the AGN rating system means that it is better than almost any other game ever released, doesn't it? How else are we to interpret it when BF3 gets a 9.8 or whatever it was?

Now if they made the controls feel like WoW then it would have been perfect.

But thats like saying whats better, an awesome piece of cake, or an awesome pizza? You can't really compare the two

Please never become a game dev.

prolly gonna buy this game tonight.. was gonna wait till the price came down but f*** it, i wanna shoot some arrows at monsters @!#!@ :D

otherwise what is the point of a score?

To give you a quick at-a-glance indicator of the quality of the game? Why is everyone so hung up on it being an absolute scale and comparing every game with every other game

Why is everyone so hung up on it being an absolute scale

I'll be booting this up tonight/tomorrow after i build my new pc (woot). I really hope it kicks oblivions ass because i really didn't enjoy that game much, after coming from morrowind (and playing the living hell out of it) it just felt empty.

If it is an arbitrary system, why bother using numbers or a scale of 0-10? Why not just say it is a superb game, an excellent game, bit of a dud and so forth? I would think that if the numbers don't really mean anything, why not use something that does?

Anyway, we've derailed the thread enough even without talking about 4WD's let us discuss Skyrim and make a new thread for scoring if we must.

All this bulls*** about game review scores is almost a perfect counter-example to that stupid debate about video games not being art

Name me one other art form graded numerically. It is a stupid system. Star ratings if you must, otherwise an entertaining informative discourse on the subject would be better.

Someone just pasted this on IRC, pretty funny:

i rate this product 3 stars, 2 nebulae & 14923746127341083412 hydrogen atoms!

Also, Has anyone worked out how to move objects? the Z button in Oblivion did that. I want to move stuff around.

Now, onto skyrim, I played morrowind an awful, awful lot and oblivion for about 3 hours before I realised I didn't give a s***.

That is ingenious, reminds me of FO3 I believe where you could pick up the items and put them in a bucket then walk away with the bucket and take the items once you were out of sight.

Now if they made the controls feel like WoW then it would have been perfect.

lookin to buy this tonight, gmg still the go? not region locked?

< is this a bug?

For now, the most important tweak has to do with the fact that VSync is automatically on and can't be disabled from within the game. This not only reduces FPS, it also introduces mouse lag. To disable VSync in Skyrim, add iPresentInterval=0 to the bottom of the [Display] section of the Skyrim.ini file in the \Users\[Username]\My Documents\My Games\Skyrim directory.

If I didn't like dragon age will I like this?

Mouse Lag ftl.

It's very different than dragon age. Bioware games are about the characters/tactics(if any)/story/epicness.

This is about voiceless character roaming and exploring.

control panel - sound - playback tab - right click speakers (or whatever has the green check mark) - properties - advanced tab - 24 bit, 44100 Hz (Studio Quality)

I'm loving the favourite system, so much easier to micro manage. Press Q while running around for the Favourite menu, and while in your sub menu say, Spells, just press F to favourite it. Makes on the fly changing much better then the 0-9 keys that Oblivion used.

Wow!! 20 Hours of gameplay in and I actually found an oblivion gate. Turns out all the dragons came from oblivion!!! I never would have thought.

The other thing was a rather interesting exploit that I took full advantage of. The guy in the first town who can teach you archery, if you do a quest and stuff for him and get in his good books, he'll join you as a companion. And when you have a companion, you have full access to their inventory and can take whatever you want out and put it in your inventory, and vice versa. So I waited till I recruited him as a companion, spent 2k training archery, went into his inventory and got my 2k back :P

A couple of odd things I've found so far, is everyone in that first town you go to (the river one) keeps telling me I look sick when they walk past and they're like "Are you feeling ok? You look terrible" and stuff like that, EVERYONE is saying it. But to the best of my knowledge, I'm not sick at all. I dunno if its cos I collected a whole s***load of different herbs, berries and parts of animals and then ate them all to see what would happen, maybe its given me aids or something.

A couple of odd things I've found so far, is everyone in that first town you go to (the river one) keeps telling me I look sick when they walk past and they're like "Are you feeling ok? You look terrible" and stuff like that, EVERYONE is saying it. But to the best of my knowledge, I'm not sick at all. I dunno if its cos I collected a whole s***load of different herbs, berries and parts of animals and then ate them all to see what would happen, maybe its given me aids or something.

This is a complete single player game yeah? no multi?

Still waiting for Green man to fix my checkout problem. They have the money but i have no key because their system f***ed up when paypal sent me back to them. They sat on the ticket all day yesterday UK time and didn't do a f*****g thing, I disputed the charge as directed at paypal and nothing, and their system won't let me try to buy another key.

Not happy, probably won't use them again. The dodgy russian guys refunded my money already ><

I get the same, are you playing as a Dark Elf?

Yeah I am, maybe they just don't like Dark Elves?

I think some of the achievements are glitchy too, cos I completed that Barrow den with the golden claw in it, and it even says its cleared on my map, but never got the achieve for it.

But is everything red a disease? Isn't there some temporary debuffs that wear off on their own? Cos if thats the case, then yeah, I have some kind of disease that makes it 25% harder for me to pick locks. I guess its like parkinson's or something.

I think I'll be picking up Oblivion from the bargain bin before Skyrim.

Biggest problem I have at the moment is finding places that sell spells. My basic flame/cold/spark spell isn't cutting it any more against the larger monsters.

feel a bit overwhelmed at the moment. Im lv15 and have only just got to the Old farts on the mountain. So many quests randomly thrown at you. Might start a new character. Also having trouble with classes or lack there of.

I want to pigeon hole myself into a rogue character but its hard. I am just an annoying Nord in Light armour with a mace who also uses spells.

I tried to be anything but a sneaky rogue, since it's what I always am, and made a nord for the warrior win, yet now I am somehow again a sneaky bow and arrow killing machine because it's just too awesome.

Also don't want him cramping my style while I'm trying to sneak around.

a dark brotherhood assassin tried to kill me. i kicked his ass.

does sneak level up just by being in sneak mode, or do enemies have to be around?

Am I on the right track?

the alchemy is a bit weird. there doesn't seem to be any way of detecting what ingredient goes with what & ya end up wasting half your ingredients trying combos out. well i did

The alchemy is a bit weird. there doesn't seem to be any way of detecting what ingredient goes with what & ya end up wasting half your ingredients trying combos out. well i did :P

every numb will say COD is the samething over and over but skyrim isn't , now thats a lol

every numb will say COD is the samething over and over but skyrim isn't , now thats a lol

Had a few bugs so far, one ctd and some other annoyances. I'd open a door to a room in a house etc and items would explode off of the shelves and go everywhere?!?

anyone had the annoying bug where you cant exit a conversation when hitting tab? it's happened to me a few times i and just mash keys until it finally exits.

Also, found this on Reddit, explains from some guys perspective why Skyrim is better then Oblivion, which I agree with: http://www.reddit.com/r/truegaming/comments/ma6y2/8_hours_in_here_is_an_anecdote_to_illustrate_why/

I'm finding it hard to figure out who the quest givers are, apart from that the game is awesome. So much better than oblivion.

So how do shouts work exactly? I've learnt a few but it says I need dragon souls to use or unlock them. I've killed a bunch of dragons and absorbed their souls but so far everything but the first two shouts you get are greyed out.

This stumped me for ages until I noticed that you need to push R on the shout you want to buy when you have a dragon soul. Each shout costs 1 soul.

How well do you take down trolls and giants by the way?

Had a few bugs so far, one ctd and some other annoyances. I'd open a door to a room in a house etc and items would explode off of the shelves and go everywhere?!?

should i play this game?

I'm not an RPG fan

(mainly because I just don't have the time for em)

but they say this is one of the best RPG's ever

game needs a wingsuit for gliding off that huge mofo

I'd open a door to a room in a house etc and items would explode off of the shelves and go everywhere?!?

Also, dragons like horses. F***** stole my horse, there goes 5k gold.

I'm not an RPG fan (mainly because I just don't have the time for em), but they say this is one of the best RPG's ever.

should i play this game?

it's nice how once you've fully cleared a dungeon/encounter it marks it as "cleared" on the map.

Wait so your companions can actually die? Normally Lydia just hunches down injured and the beasty comes after me. If she died who would carry all of my s***?

Will companions wear armor that you give them?

I wish the Giants were bigger. Like 20 foot or something.

Wait so your companions can actually die?

It might help if you give a description of what the spoiler is about. How was hog to know to mouse-over that spoiler to answer his question? It could have been about anything.

I had no idea how to unlock that door,

only tried combinations which would use all three

It might help if you give a description of what the spoiler is about. How was hog to know to mouse-over that spoiler to answer his question? It could have been about anything.

By reading fpot's helpful poast!

Just did the coolest quest... for a dog. Starts in Riften, some guy wants you to catch some dog hes seen wandering around. When you go looking for it, it comes up to you and starts talking, only gets wackier from there.

Speaking of the combat, although melee feels pretty unrewarding and jittery, archery is really good. Having a blast luring enemies into traps in dungeons then setting them off with an arrow. (using the throw voice dragon shout)

How does everyone deal with dragons?

I found another dungen in Iverhart that needs the sapphire claw!?

How does everyone deal with dragons?

sometimes Lydia would spook the deers when i was trying to snipe them. damn woman should be in the kitchen.. not f*****g up my hunt ;p

Wow what the f***, I just got my ass handed to me by the ice troll guarding the path up to the Greybeards.
I'm only lvl 7 so I might go and do some miscellaneous s*** tomorrow for a bit and get some levels before trying again, he pretty much 2 shot me.

My theory is that a lot of the complaints about Oblivion only surfaced after you'd been playing for a decent amount of time, which is why they aren't necessarily reflected as much in the early review scores. e.g. Identical dungeons, horrible level scaling, random & difficult to reproduce glitches, etc.

Also has anyone worked out how to do finishing moves? Like a backstab finisher as a stealth character for example. I've been reading, most of the time you need to do a power attack when they have low health, haven't tested it though.

Steam have a midweek sale on for The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Game of the Year Edition and Deluxe Edition. 75% off, coming in at $5 for the GOTY or $6.25 for the Deluxe. Bargain.

Nathan,

Don't use that when fighting

Spoiler:
The Silver Hand, their silver weapons smashed me. I'm not sure if they were simply high level mobs or if it was because I was also in beast form.

I was saying that I liked Oblivion's *more*. A lot more

Destruction is perfectly fine for me. I've heard a lot of complaining because people, but the majority of the time they aren't using a variety of spells, and just sticking with flames.

This thread needs more spoiler tags, F***. I'm not reading it until I get further.

Am I not the only one sometimes getting owned by random Bandit Chiefs then?

This happens to me a lot.

avnos - go into where your shouts are, and you should see theres a button you have to press to actually use a dragon soul to be able to use a shout.

you could also noclip, maybe it uses the same command as oblivion (tcl)?

plus I'm rocking the skyforge steel sword I got off a dead companion, 26dm yo!

- First of I used this tool to mod my game to allow more than 2gb ram used at a time. Why bethesda didn't think of this who knows. Got quite a FPS boost I must say and stopped all CTD I was having.

Did you lose your saves Rav, or does Steam keep them?

I'm up to 1.5GB for my save folder for Skyrim.

Got fkn owned by a troll outside the town near the graybeards. So I tried to kite him back into the town and everyone turned on me!

I haven't even bothered to take on a giant since I'm getting crushed by trolls. The only things I can kill are bandits. Starting to feel s*** at this game :(

Demons scoring for a 10/10 game ;

Can I shoot things in the face : (Check)
Can I stare at the pretend peoples boobs : (Check)
If I hit people the right way do they gib : (Check)
Do the NPCs steal my armour like Frogbot : (No)

9 out of f*****g 10... needs more rally stages in the carts.

My cat guy is so stealthy it's almost embarrassing.

My cat guy is so stealthy it's almost embarrassing.

The easiest way to level smithing is to buy as many leather strips as you can (and/or buy leather and strip it) and buy as many iron ignots as you can. Whiterun is good as there are 2 smiths who don't have linked inventory right where you spawn. Each day they refill and have about 15 leather, 20 strips and 20 something iron bars each. Make iron daggers until you are 100. That simple.