Whoa I have been owned.

The Russians made him quote you.

It could be the Russians writting this post now.

You think people suggesting Biden has dementia are projecting concerns they actually hold about about themselves having dementia? That makes absolutely no sense.

Mostly peaceful protests by Proud Boys and other white supremacist groups in Philadelphia over the last few nights.

LMFAO compare the two performances on any given day. Trump gives 3 high energy rallies a day enthralling his crowd, Biden does a 30 min - I don't know what you call it it's not a rally. And then hides for the rest of the day.

Biden cannot even remember the name of his opponent. Give me a break. It hurts to watch.

Right, so Trump having more energy doesn't mean Biden has dementia, Infi. Nor does forgetting someone's name.

I suggest you read this book for some perspective.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459

List of things Biden has forgotten over the past 6 months

- Which of 2 women was his wife and sister
- Who he is running against
- What office he is running for, multiple times
- Who is interviewing him
- What state he is in, multiple times
- What year it is
- His own name
- When he became VP
- The first line in the declaration of independence
- How many people have died due to coronavirus
- His position on fracking
- That his running mate has a husband, not a wife

I'm sure there's more but these are funny enough

So accidental then?

Imagine being the sort of f*****g deads*** that would hold a rally in the middle of a pandemic though

I mean political rallies are embarrassing enough anyway aren't they? who f*****g goes out and cheers at politicians at the best of times, let alone when they're campaigning?!

Seems like it's definitely a thing in America. Just like spending 4 hours at a baseball or NFL match. Joe has really capitalised on hiding in his basement cos COVID. Even if he is not holding rallies his not accessible. I mean CMON MAN.

So much for that Hunter Biden scandal hey?



What happened to Obama gate? I've lost track.

Seems like it's definitely a thing in America. Just like spending 4 hours at a baseball or NFL match. Joe has really capitalised on hiding in his basement cos COVID. Even if he is not holding rallies his not accessible. I mean CMON MAN.

dude I haven't been watching the news for the last 4 months and even I am sick of seeing Biden talking about stuff, he's inescapable.

Maybe you're onto something though with the sport stuff. Only someone who could spent 4 hours watching American football could possibly stand attending a political rally

It's a deep state conspiracy, a fake news conspiracy and it was the democrats all along!

Russia, Russia, Russia.

Can someone explain to me why it matters what Biden's relatives do? (Please frame it in the context of one million Americans getting COVID in the last 14 days)

Because Joe Biden said he knew nothing but the evidence suggests otherwise. Hunter BIden referred to "the Chairman" i.e. his father in emails and also discussed receiving payments for introductions to his father. This would indicate Biden lied.

OK I assume it's about something important but I seriously cbf looking it up

so just to be clear, the concern is a political figure that may have lied on one issue? how do we rationalise that against Trump who lies all the time freely and unapologetically? or are we just pretending that he doesn't lie

yes if there's one thing we don't have to worry about, it's the Trumps using the presidency for personal gain

97,000 new COVID cases in the US today. Trump partially stopped travel from China at the start of the year, and the deaths arent over 1 million so he's doing a great Job!

97,000 new COVID cases in the US today.

The good news is deaths are done to almost nothing - only 1000 per day!

Admittedly there's a big question mark on those case numbers. Doctors are artificially inflating case numbers for cash trump told me so.

I was at the pub on Friday arvo having a beer with my brother.

At the next table over there were two other blokes having a beer. Some random guy walked into the pub and saw one of these guys and walked over and got in his eyeline. They both did the excited "g'day mate!" of two friends that haven't seen each other in a long time and had a hug.

It's pretty awesome that in Queensland we can not only just casually go to a pub like it's any old day, but people are so comfortable that they can engage in PDA like this without fear of literally dying from something like this - a casual encounter with a mate.

As it has been forever, Queensland is great, and the government deserves a lot of credit for leading from the front and making the hard decisions. Congrats to the Labor government on a well-deserved win and thanks for keeping us safe.

It's a terrible govt full of incompetent boobs. We could have PDA all along. Businesses were shut down unreasonably and people's freedom of movement restricted. We are just lucky there was no second wave otherwise we would be just like Victoria.

Amazing how the border had to stay closed cos election. Predictable cynical politicians.

Power is a drug.

praise be to our great leader Anna!

It's a terrible govt full of incompetent boobs. We could have PDA all along. Businesses were shut down unreasonably and people's freedom of movement restricted. We are just lucky there was no second wave otherwise we would be just like Victoria.

Amazing how the border had to stay closed cos election. Predictable cynical politicians.

chill out, dude! it sounds like you have a sickness. just SYH and holler if you need some compassion or help

In today's QLD election followup: 'Among the most vocal critics is former LNP premier Campbell Newman who told Sky News: "There's no-one currently in this team who seems to be capable of winning an election."'

you can hear the wooshing noise as it goes over Newman's head

We are just lucky

Really curious as to why you think this was luck and not a clearly, obviously direct result of the actions taken. What evidence would it take for you to believe that the QLD approach was the right one?

Everywhere that didn't lock down fastly and furiously is a mess, right? Like is there anywhere that has just YOLO'd their way through it that is not adding thousands of cases a day now?

I'd note that UK is now going into a four week lockdown. Way too late, and I don't know what the rules are (I saw somewhere that they're not letting some stores sell books? which feels, uh, like perhaps misplaced attention to very detailed and weird specifics, but I dunno, maybe there's new data showing paper is a bigger risk?). France doing something too.

But everywhere that has waited this long to try to do something is now copping the worst of both worlds. Economic pain from shutdown plus all the deaths (multiplied by the fact that the deaths are a hugely significant part of the negative impact to economy), plus it's now much much harder to get back to normal after such a half-assed approach. Prevention is always better than the cure!

What on earth are they trying to pull over there in the states? No vote counting after election night?
The right wing media are really trying hard to cause an uprising from their camp if the count swings back to Biden.

No wonder candidate Kamala and her running mate Sleepy Joe rallied hard in Texas. They have a lot of help down there.

It's scary to think that there is even a chance that trump will be reelected. My gut tells me it's something like 70/30 to Biden. It's amazing how excited a lawless, sadistic racist can get a certain section of the population and how much they're willing to ignore if it means that person can still be in charge.

Yeah for a person with an IQ over 25 it might be enough to question if he really is a "lawless, sadistic racist".

For a person with an IQ above 45 hopefully itll prompt some self reflection.

Looks like Trump has wrapped it up. Despite the best efforts of the mainstream media, pollsters and social media company interference. They won't learn. Who should run next: Don Jr or Ivanka?

nah, hes still not going to win.

The first four years were the fun and games. The USA could be heading into a real dark age here that transcends funny and puts the world in crisis.

The only thing that is certain to me at this point is that if there was no COVID-19 trump would have won this election easily. God bless America.

Honestly doesnt matter if Biden wins, theres a nasty virus in American society, and it isn't just COVID.

whoa hold up, hes declared victory? Still millions of ballots to count, chump.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/299/change1.jpg

Those national polls were only out by 10+ points.

Definitely trump trying to steal the election. /Eyeroll

it is delicious theatre.

as long as drumph gets done, i dont care how exciting it gets.

Imagine being the sort of f*****g deads*** that would hold a rally in the middle of a pandemic though

I really don't get how people get so into politics, it clearly has nothing to do with politics though and everything to do with being angry at somebody else. They're basically all f***ed in the head. I like to think there's left wing, right wing, and the normal people in the middle.

Seems like it's definitely a thing in America. Just like spending 4 hours at a baseball or NFL match.

Watching the NFL is one of my favourite things to do, I love it, fantastic game. I definitely think it makes much more sense than spending 5 days watching a game of cricket https://www.ausgamers.com/res/static/images/icons/icon10.gif

Haven't really been following the election, but this morning it sounds like they're saying Trump is done and dusted.

Daaamn, berns prediction was spot on.

So exciting! This is like Pay Per VIew but it's free!

We need another twist.

So, not only did the big f***wit hilariously call the election early, so did the local f***wits. Amazing! its like a bunch of fat chicks sharing a house and having their rags synch up.

Imagine a presidential candidate so dropdead f*****g awful that not once but twice up to a fifth of his supporters can't admit it even anonymously. Imagine being a Trump supporter and celebrating this fact just days after squirming and losing your s*** over being asked the same question. Trumpist cognitive dissonance is endless and staggering.

Imagine being such a whiney little b**** that you'd file lawsuits about an election where a winner hasn't even been called. Imagine supporting such a vile creature without the grace to even feign embarrassment.

Edit: holy s*** how did 'stop the vote' and 'count every vote' become partisan slogans that people marched under in America after elections?!

I hate 2020, I think its time for an infinite earths crisis thing where the weirder timelines get snipped.

oh the "phobia" language. Now we have crafted irrational fear in place of something a person might not like.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/islamic-state-attacks-europe-risks-violent-far-right-backlash/12847526

The spate of jihadist attacks is concerning in and of itself, but more so because it feeds the anti-Muslim sentiment that fuels violent right-wing extremists and threatens social cohesion at a time of growing far-right sentiment.

The most left wing guy I talk to maintains significant bias regarding Islam. He is hardly a "right-wing extremists" or "fascist". We agree that all extremists are a concern.

Arachnophobia is an intense and irrational fear of spiders and other arachnids such as scorpions.

agoraphobia extreme or irrational fear of entering open or crowded places, of leaving one's own home, or of being in places from which escape is difficult.

Islamophobia dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

"Fasciphobia"

"Coalphobia"

"Nuclearphobia"

"Trumphobia"

"Broccoliphobia"

Can all journalists please now refer to people who support ANTIFA as "Fasciphobic"? Thank you.

Tending on Imgur today (2nd right now):

https://i.imgur.com/Pj9Ezbu.jpeg

Open browser, type "not my president" and click search.

Left logic.

Even ABC reported the nutters out the front of the poll counting centre were a "handful" yet there are hundreds if not more carrying placards down streets "Count every vote".

We all know their democratic voting system is a joke. Trump got in cause "not a Clinton", and Biden will get in cause "Not a Trump". and even once Biden gets in he's looking at a Republican senate.

Can all journalists please now refer to people who support ANTIFA as "Fasciphobic"? Thank you.

Your posts are getting more weird as time goes on. You alright there nmag?
I'd sure hope alot of us are still 'Fasciphobic', Australia sure was if they felt the need to send the military after them in ww2.

120,000 coronavirus infections in the USA today.

Last time I checked no one was holding a gun to business owners and forcing them to open their businesses. Anyone is free to stay home and hide like a little b**** from a virus with a 99% survival rate.

The problem Biden now has is he has not won in a landslide which what the Dems were trying to game all along with the disaster they call polling but was necessary to remove any shadow of a doubt that fraud could have swayed the result. Now, with the mountains of evidence of fraud growing to seas of evidence, the supreme court will have to intervene and a f***load of Dem run precincts will have their votes investigated. Not only that, the senile old f*** has bent over backwards to make his position clear that he thinks there is no fraud happening, so he is now f***ed and cannot allege fraud in Republican dominated precincts that went heavily against him late.

But, for all the tap dancing about Trump calling it early and how stupid it was, several complete morons on this thread have decided to do the exact same thing for Biden lol. The next few weeks are gunna be fun and probably hilarious.

Ha ha "seas of evidence"

Now, with the mountains of evidence of fraud growing to seas of evidence

You most definitely are dazed and confused...

The next few weeks are gunna be fun and probably hilarious.

More like sad. I don't really have any skin in the game one way or the other. But right now watching Trump waffle on is like watching this...

https://youtu.be/p6Eaz-1_3iA?t=192

At first its sort of funny, almost entertaining you might say....and then sad.

Always entertaining to see people talk about the EC as though the Republicans would be f***ed without it.

I guess you have to console yourself somehow, but it strangely never occurs to people who want to get rid of the EC that Republicans aren't playing to win the popular vote. Largely because it's been used decide zero presidential elections in nearly 300 years.

You can bet your bottom dollar the voter split in ca and ny would look a lot different, because Republican voters would be much more likely to show up.

And frankly the EC is proving it's worth right now. The democrats took WI, MI and PA for granted until 2016. They aren't going to make that mistake again anytime soon. And Biden isn't across the line yet.

And as for the 4 million. The "staggering minority" is probably going to amount 70 million votes.

I bet those people constantly chanting trump 2020 feel pretty dumb right now. Maybe the rot on people's brains to do with this guy will dissipate now. But i have a feeling the damage is done and we'll be seeing more right wing terrorism well after he's gone.

Joseph Biden will get 306 college votes

Joseph Biden will get 306 college votes

He might.

But currently (last update I saw from about 3 hours ago) the maths says Trump can win AZ. GA and PA are going to a recount, and a recount could shift the needle enough (equally it might sure up Biden's vote). Those three states get Trump over the line.

It's not over yet and won't be before the end of next week. I'd say there is less than 100k votes in it.

Georgia is very close

The rest of them i can't see a recount switching the difference that far to change the outcome

It really is insane how close it is in these states

So basically the vibe I'm getting from this election is that America is totally cool having a white nationalist authoritarian as POTUS but maybe next time make them a bit smarter so we can actually get s*** done with less embarrassing meltdowns please.

Yeah, another, more likely (almost certain), reading is that you're really really f*****g dumb and have learnt absolutely nothing.

There is no way to know the truth without forensic examination.

You need to present evidence of wrongdoing, first.

Simply alleging high treason by State election officials should not result in hundreds (thousands?) of Americans being audited and put through the investigative grinder. Powers of investigation are invasive and violent by nature and should not be invoked without evidence, especially not by the President!

Unless you're running a police state, ofc. Then its par for the course.

Yeah he is.

It's going to be entertaining to watch vash and fpot melt down again.

Remember all the democrats had to do was not be insane and it was a bridge too far. They couldn't do it.

All it would take would be to tell morons who spout s*** like this

Imagine thinking trump would get 4 more years.

I read the allegations of ballot irregularities. There is no way to know the truth without forensic examination. It's only fair that allegations be tested in court for independent decision. Does this count as playing for Sheep Stations?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8bks7fp9D7M/hqdefault.jpg

See how quickly these guys hate taking things to court when they think their guy has won? They were all about investigating the balls out of completely bogus things like the Steele dossier for 4 years now they come out of the woodwork when people suggest that maybe something might be up when a USPS employee goes public with allegations he was instructed to backdate absentee ballots. Unlike your sources for the last 4 years that were anonymous lol, some people have the spine to put their neck on the chopping block.

mmmm, the conspiracy numpty meltdowns are so sweet.

Get a load of these stupid chud f***wits. Think of how many times they've been warned, how many times they've had things carefully explained to them, the events unfolding right in front of their dumb faces. They never learn anything, and the kind of people they support are completely unequipped to deal with any serious issue. Just a big hot air balloon full of boast and bluster but as soon as even a slight wind blows they panic. Great at inheriting a strong economy and taking credit for things they didn't create, but terrible at taking the responsibility when it completely tanks under the weight of their ineptitude.

You dumb chud f***wits can go away and f*** off forever. You're not needed. Go away and whine about voter fraud while you discuss your latest My Little Pony Happy Meal purchases. You're all so deeply covered in s*** there's no way back for you. Everyone should be making a point of remembering who these f***wits were and making them pay for it. Shame and ridicule is the only language narcissist reality denying scum understand. If at some stage they try to pretend they never really supported trump or that they simply got caught up in the hype they're lying. Never let them forget what they did.

It's great Biden was elected but it wasn't easy and it wasn't a landslide when it absolutely should have been. It's a sad indictment of the American people and f*** me I hope I'm wrong but I see decades of issues ahead with so many dumb f**** still in play.

The way I know a bunch of pathetic whining and laughable false bravado is happening is when a bunch of slightly thicker black lines appear between posts. Imagine being the dumb c*** who went all in on trump not being a disaster, and that right wing extremism was nothing to worry about, and how dumb the people overreacting to trump are everything's fine!

I have a confession to make. When that bargain f***wit said I missed the context of this guy's posts I read some. Holy Broolstoryco II Batman. Or maybe you're the same person. Who gives a f***. The only difference is broolstoryco sympathised with people who only have a double digit kill count. You worship the guy with six figures. And you reply to a person who hasn't read a single post of yours in three years like I am reading them. What sort of f***ed up mind does that? The kind of pathetic s*** who can't handle any form of rejection. Congrats, out of entire set of extreme f***wits, you're by far the largest.

Get a load of these stupid chud f***wits. Think of how many times they've been warned, how many times they've had things carefully explained to them, the events unfolding right in front of their dumb faces. They never learn anything, and the kind of people they support are completely unequipped to deal with any serious issue. Just a big hot air balloon full of boast and bluster but as soon as even a slight wind blows they panic. Great at inheriting a strong economy and taking credit for things they didn't create, but terrible at taking the responsibility when it completely tanks under the weight of their ineptitude.

You dumb chud f***wits can go away and f*** off forever. You're not needed. Go away and whine about voter fraud while you discuss your latest My Little Pony Happy Meal purchases. You're all so deeply covered in s*** there's no way back for you. Everyone should be making a point of remembering who these f***wits were and making them pay for it. Shame and ridicule is the only language narcissist reality denying scum understand. If at some stage they try to pretend they never really supported trump or that they simply got caught up in the hype they're lying. Never let them forget what they did.

It's great Biden was elected but it wasn't easy and it wasn't a landslide when it absolutely should have been. It's a sad indictment of the American people and f*** me I hope I'm wrong but I see decades of issues ahead with so many dumb f**** still in play.

Biden wins, fpot still manages to have a meltdown, lol.

Eh to be honest I'm kind of bummed out, the media had every excuse not to call this election for weeks. Instead they cashed in for short term ratings, they jumped the gun and now all the fun will be over. ffs even Fox has called it! I wonder if they will allow their people to call him 'president elect' yet lols

For the dota players - couldn't we have camped the conservatives' pool for a bit before killing the ancient? Its not like there is anything to fear from the spurious fraud allegations and desperate law suits. Gaben had this one locked at 100% win chance.

All jokes aside I just can't shake the feeling that the media is trying to convince people of the win rather than just let the recounts and courts do their thing like in 2000's Gore vs Bush. Which is also weird because they could have milked TONNES of ratings for weeks if they just sat on the 'too close to call' narrative. They could even have blamed Trump for it, not like he was going to concede and its not like there is actual evidence of fraud to be concerned about?

Were they actually worried about something real, like the possibility of violent insurrection from the right?

See how quickly these guys hate taking things to court when they think their guy has won? They were all about investigating the balls out of completely bogus things like the Steele dossier for 4 years now they come out of the woodwork when people suggest that maybe something might be up when a USPS employee goes public with allegations he was instructed to backdate absentee ballots.

Yeh I'm kind of shifting on this one, they should be able to file whatever they want so long as the tax payer is not on the hook for meritless cases. I assume the first judge in the chain has the right to just throw out suits (without right of appeal) that have no legal standing whatsoever?

Well done fpot you sad sad little bouncer.

Can you please stop doing that dude?

Thank for your lucid post. But no. I see no reason not to be savagely rude to someone who likes calling everyone Nazis and is objectively stupid.

If he can learn to control himself his treatment might improve.

It's so obvious that's the most offensive and hurtful language on this forum. Please stop it.

*rollseyes*

https://i.imgur.com/HjfXJKQ_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

One of my favourites

In apolitical workplaces where we would typically never speak of politics nothing will beat having random work colleagues emotionally lose it after Trump got in. Just not being able to contain themselves and don't even live there. High on ABC and Guardian BS. The ability to contain political opinion overridden by TDS. There was a lot of it over the last 4 years and it was interesting to see how much emotions and feels contributed. Some of fpots abusive posts are just outrageous.

This one was pretty funny.

Has the election been declared yet? I didn't see the news article.

WaPo comes out with an article claiming the Pennsylvania USPS whistleblower recanted his allegations, of course via anonymous officials. Whistleblower goes on tape claiming he never recanted soon after.

Weird strategy to go with when you're supposedly on the "no fraud possible" team.

perhaps a fjord of evidence, or a loch mayhaps

just be cool. stop projecting.

a mound of evidence.

Spoilt little brat sitting in Daddy's office because he couldn't make it on his own in the real world claims he loves the heat. Nice one f***wit.

I am reading that if a political candidate seeks to have their grievance arbitrated by a court pursuant to legal processes this is a coup. Is this true?

postal voting is corruption?

postal voting is corruption?

I can't speak to that, but the argument being run in Pennsylvania is subtler than that.

As I understand it they are running the bush v gore argument that specifically in Pennsylvania in person voting was subject to a level of scrutiny that was so different to postal voting that it amounts to an equal protection violation. But I have not read the pleadings yet.

The gamble being that too many postal votes which should have been excluded from the count were allowed to count (for defects specified as disqualifing in the legislation, not necessarily 'fraud'). If that amounts to a reversal of the lead who knows. To be safe it would need to discard a net of nearly 80k Biden votes to get out of recount territory. It's big hill to climb.

I am reading that if a political candidate seeks to have their grievance arbitrated by a court pursuant to legal processes this is a coup. Is this true?

"their grievance"

It's more like airing of the grievances. What's trump's score on post election lawsuits so far? 0/10 last I checked the other day.

It is cool how Trump is begging for more money despite being really rich.

Anyone think it strange that Biden supporters supposedly rigged the election (even in States with Republicans in office) for President but didn't bother to do so apparently to ensure they also had a majority in the Senate? And they also didn't bother to make sure they even maintained their current lead in the House and in fact have lost seats?

And unlike here in Australia where we have separate ballot papers for House of Reps and the Senate they have them on the same ballots usually....

Strange that. Bit of an oversight.

Anyone think it strange that Biden supporters supposedly rigged the election (even in States with Republicans in office) for President but didn't bother to do so apparently to ensure they also had a majority in the Senate? And they also didn't bother to make sure they even maintained their current lead in the House and in fact have lost seats?

Just spit balling here but it might be much harder to rig 435 elections with thousands of candidates with out being obvious vs 1 election with 2 candidates.

But the most likely explanation for what we are seeing is voters dislike the democrats agenda and Trump's personality in vaguely equal measure so a pox on both their houses.

This is not over, and indeed, will never be over. Everyone should acknowledge that.

I hope the voter fraud is exposed

What evidence will it take (#wewit) for you to be satisfied there is no meaningful voter fraud?

DRUMPH 2024!!!!!!

Three binders of evidence is getting into canals of evidence territory. Stop the transition!

troubling allegations

Allegations are not evidence.

Where's the beef?

What evidence will it take (#wewit) for you to be satisfied there is no meaningful voter fraud?

Just like in 2000 once the court applications are decided everyone has to move on.

By "moved on" do you mean "I now accept there was no voter fraud, Biden is the rightful President"? i.e., the evidence you will accept there was no fraud is simply enough court decisions saying there was no fraud in their jurisdiction that it leads to a Biden win? (... like how the Democrats so gracefully "moved on" in 2000!!!)

Because "move on" is a little vague; it's not clear if you mean "well there actually was voter fraud and the courts didn't act on it because [reasons], Biden is an illegitimate president but, well, what are you going to do about it"?

It's clear from your posts previous posts you are highly confident there has been voter fraud. So again, my question is not about the details of the specific frauds you believe have happened (I make no claims as to whether there was or was not fraud and am not interested in getting into the weeds).

It's about what is it going to take to make you believe deep down that there wasn't fraud, and that it was as fair as an election as America knows how to put on. If it is just the court decision saying so, then that's great. Simple, clear, reasonable, rational, and I assume it's literally what the law says anyway.

Because no matter the outcome, some of the highest officials in the last throwing shade is casting severe doubt on the integrity of the American election process (and democracy), and trying to figure out how to convince people that it was a fair election is what America should be focusing on. Because I am not sure there are a lot of people that are just going to accept the decision of the courts as being the same thing as "no fraud" (you know, because the President is literally going to Tweet to them that the courts are in on it, or whatever).

One final grift for the dumbest of the dumb to go for a ride on.

edit: so while all this attention is being focussed on this one final grift, how is COVID going in the states? All good?

Imagine the landing point being one of the most densely populated and largest trading centres in the world. It must be the democrats fault.

Dude claiming trump lost the election because of voter fraud is utterly absurd. It's so plainly the last gasp effort of the billion dollar loser propped up into his impossible to fail life, failing. The worry isn't that he will pull this off and steal the election. The worry is that his army of dumb violent armed racist conspiracy theorist numpties are pumping their veins full of this juicy reality denial elixir of hope. You know, the ones who have been committing lethal acts of right-wing terrorism throughout his tenure. The acts you've been ignoring and will continue to ignore. The ones you'd be mingling with and describing as patriots if you were unlucky enough to be American.

It's clear that fraud occurred, it's just whether courts will rule it substantial enough to grant relief.

It's obvious that some problems are going to happen when 150 million people are voting. I am not denying there was some fraud.

I'll cheerfully stipulate that there was some kind of fraud on both sides by random individuals. This is just part of the background noise of every election. (FWIW every voting expert I have seen comment on this issue - at least, prior to this election - has said it is so tiny that it's not worth considering, but whatever.)

But you seem to be alleging there was some mass fraud that was some sort of conspiracy? Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying. Maybe you are just saying it is just regular old casual fraud but at a bigger scale? So we still end up not having an answer to my question about "meaningful" voter fraud :|

And the other problem is what relief does a court grant once the well has been poisoned?

I dunno what this means. If courts can't do anything then there's no rule of law and you're not living in a functioning democracy. Clearly, Trump and some Republicans think that this is not an issue based on all the court cases.

Like when you lose a poker hand. The other guy got lucky, it's bulls***, but I lost, the dealer just took my chips.

You're not alleging "luck", you're saying it's fraud. Cheating. In poker if you cheat I don't imagine people just "move on".

The Democrats have set the precedent for how to behave when an election is lost - undermine the President for the entire term.

Handy memory lapse there on how the Republicans treated Obama, but anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again - deciding on how to behave by basing your behaviour on the bad behaviour of your peers is weak

What would it take for you to believe Trump had COVID and recovered from it in one week?

Weird segue, but, uh, not much, actually - the burden of proof on this is spectacularly low. Maybe if someone said it that wasn't a serial liar or part of an establishment of serial lying?

You are delusional if you think after the spying and FISA warrants and Russian peepee tapes Steele dossier and the #notmypresident #impeach45 #BLM bulls***, Democrats are going to be granted a clean slate

Yeah the idea that democrats have any standing to complain about how one should behave after losing a narrow election is preposterous. If all they get is law suits in 6 states they should consider themselves lucky.

With 10,000 polling organisations nationwide, and 50 states organising their own voting procedures there is no consistency to the management of ballots.

You're right, a single federal agency WOULD be a better solution!

(I'll read the rest tomorrow, too late for shenanigans tonight)

I can only read the rest of your post as "there is no evidence that will convince me that this election was not rigged by systematic Democrat (or whomever fraud" so not sure there's any point in me responding point by point.

I will make one comment on the most nerdy part though:

The most secure election in history? Until a full audit of mass mail in ballot states occurs, there will be no knowing the extent to which dead people voted

I am not an election expert but I have been following several for years (not intentionally; they are just computer security & cryptography people who have ended up in the field). I've always found it interesting because in my young naive days I was like "well why don't we just vote on THE INTERNET", before I'd spent half my life learning about the Internet and computers and how bad an idea that would be.

But one of the ways they check the integrity of elections is through something called "risk-limiting audits"; this is a statistical approach which does not involve checking every individual ballot - you can check only a very small percentage very quickly and end up with an extremely high degree of confidence. Unfortunately doing this automatically as part of the election process in every state has not been pushed into legislation yet, but there are organisations that are doing it in at least some states (I think I saw Georgia?).

I don't know all the details but several of the infosec/voting nerds I follow talk about RLAs all the time as being one of the most effective tools to ensure election integrity. One of them posted a link this morning to this report which if you have unlimited spare time is worth a read

edit: f*** I screwed up the link or something and it ate the rest of my post, but it was basically just nerding out on how experts view election integrity these days

I can't really envision a scenario where such a protected little species such as yourself ever would but you better hope you never have to. It's gonna be ugly.

Can't be any uglier than goats like you running around peaceful marches king hitting people you disagree with. I honestly wonder how long the right in the US puts up the petulant left before they snap.

Am I cherry picking with this link? Well I guess it's just one maths communicator critiquing one video, so I guess so.

https://youtu.be/aokNwKx7gM8

How are the lawsuits going?

yep i'm fine with that. i have a law degree, i know how that stuff works kinda.

The rule of law dictates that once legal avenues are exhausted then by that very nature the outcome is legal, so how in that case could it be argued as invalid?

The justice game is not about what is right. It is about what is politically preferable, especially obviously in matters of politics as compared to private civil matters.

When someone beats you at the game, you just have to tip your hat, say nicely played and then commit to playing the game better next time.

Speaking of COVID, with this afternoon's sudden announcement of 14 cases in Adelaide QLD should immediately close all interstate borders (rather than just to Adelaide) until the cluster is better understood over the coming days.

I hope this is a bit of a Chicken Little opinion, but surely there wouldn't be brazilians of affected travelers over a couple of days. 14 sudden positive results is hyuge.

I'm opening a book, any takers?

You missed another option. He could spend the next four years claiming Biden was in cahoots with the Chinese and by booking $4000 of Google ads and spreading memes that looked like a special needs child made them swung the election by exactly 90,000 votes in three key states.

I'm opening a book, any takers?

lol no

Literally every trump supporter is also a lying piece of s***. I don't mean the vast majority, or 99.9% I mean every single one. If you dispute that, show me one who isn't.

When this conspiracy theory is over he and the others will simply move on to the next one, pretending the previous one doesn't exist if required. That's how these people live, one conspiracy theory to the next, forever on the run from the truth.

Also how about this robodebt thing in the (far more interesting) Australian news! heads should be rolling!!

This comment is my last one in this thread. Its quite nice and I hope you like it. Would you like to know more?



Like ... this amazeballs comment has an actual internet lawyer in it, sif you can complain about it now?!

But is that evidence of fraud? What if there are democrat votes in there too?

Is that going to swing the state?

Loving your positive attitude though.

Who gives a f*** about robodebt.

People with responsibilities beyond pulling their own d***.

He needs to fire Wray and Fauci next.

So when the actual president takes over on January the 20th he'll be able to reverse these final acts of sabotage, right?

spreading all that #fakenews

That is a shocking report. I hope they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Proud of our diggers

Way to f*** over an entire legacy. Kind of makes me think the culture of secrecy and murder always existed and there was never anything to be proud of.

"Entire" "never anything". There are about 600 currently. They come and go regularly. Likely been a couple thousand in the last 10 years. They are investigating 19. Even if there were 50 being investigated... it's hardly "entire" and "never anything to be proud of" is just ridiculous and disappointing level of appreciation for their efforts.

The hatred by the far left of our defence force is disappointing.

China is a disgrace and no elected politician from 2020 onward should ever be elected unless they have demonstrated anti-China positions. With the possible installation of a weak as piss Biden we will be without the backing necessary to hold policy positions in our interests against them.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/19/19/35883670-8967203-image-a-26_1605815694232.jpg

are you guys embarrassed yet?

last i saw Trump tweeted that Rudy's rant was 100% proof of widespread voter fraud

(no evidence provided by anyone from anywhere)

This theatre is awesome.

I am looking forward to Rudy walking into the Supreme Court with grills, entourage and a smoke machine.

It's full on copium brah.

What happens when the copium runs out Doctor?

Will I start going around assaulting random people in rallies I disagree with?

Will I cry and scream at the sky?

Will I wear a pink pussy hat?

Will I compile lists of people I disagree with and harass and publicly shame them?

Will I rant constantly about the elected President being #notmypresident?

This would be terrible please renew my copium prescription.

For the last 4 years the Trump administration has been undermined every day.
1. Illegal FISA warrants spying on campaign.
2. Democrat party paying for fake Russian intelligence pee pee tapes dossier
3. Democrat FBI agents using fake garbage to commence legal processes, including the Mueller investigation.
4. The Fake news MSM striding hand in hand with this baseless narrative when in reality CNN covertly admits that #russiacollusion is a "nothingburger".
5. Don't forget Hillary roaming the countryside on her speaking and book tours claiming she was robbed by a few Russian Facebook ads.

There is no goodwill left in American politics - the Democrats will stop at nothing to destroy their opponents. It is important for the Trump campaign to present their evidence as so far it seems court appearances have been over procedural matters.

So let's keep the theatrics running as it's pure gold. OMG did you see Rudy's hair dye!? Hahhaah.

Trump Campaign can play their best hand and then the matter is over. Al Gore took 37 days. So this is just beginning.

Always entertaining to watch fpot meltdowns.

The raw jealousy he has of infi is something to behold.

He should really see someone about it. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a little shrine to you infi.

didn't you say somewhere you were selling masks or something? why aren't you being a good opportunistic capitalist and using your impressive disinfo and s****tirring talents trying to spruik your wares all up and down the US at the moment

if you actually worked in logistics you would know the types of masks made in China cannot generally be certified in America and the cost to transport from Australia is prohibitive.

I have hundreds of thousands of facemasks and other PPE for my businesses and other Australians. I also donate large amounts to charity.

It is important for the Trump campaign to present their evidence

I thought you had the present evidence before your case was thrown out or you drop it?

Have you read how many times they have changed their lawsuit in Pennsylvania? It's f*****g embarrassing that you are here still here batting away for the law suits. There hasn't been a single piece of credibile evidence presented to a court in any state that i have read about yet. Post a link here if you have something infi.

It is all just stalling to try and get past the date that electoral college has to confirm the college voting. He is taking a s*** on democracy and you are lapping it.

Just so many bogus stalling lawsuits without evidence, people are entitled to be angry.

Just waiting for some evidence.

You'd like that wouldn't you.Except we don't completely move on. We remember the people who spent four years supporting and promoting the lies of the greatest threat to US democracy and world stability since WW2. I know I'm never going to let you and others like you forget. I'm well aware this will have little to no effect on your consequence free, impossible to fail lifestyle you've been granted but I think it's important anyway. It needs to be remembered.

Don't forget the fake peepee tapes and weaponized FBI Democrats

And the FBI investigation launched on Hilary 8 days or whatever it was before the last election.

Does that count?

Just so many bogus stalling lawsuits without evidence, people are entitled to be angry.

Just waiting for some evidence.

Gore lost 5 consecutive recounts in Florida in 2000 and the supreme court stepped in to stop the endless recounting.

I have never once heard him described as taking a s*** on democracy despite it being banana republic stuff.

So far as I've heard oral argument in Pennsylvania started this week.

The amending and reamending of pleadings has been shambolic but you are allowed to do it.

The dominion business sounds like bollocks so far, but the relaxation of mail in requirements and the handling of scrutineers in Pennsylvania are real problems.

Gore lost 5 consecutive recounts in Florida in 2000 and the supreme court stepped in to stop the endless recounting.

And then a University recounted the whole thing years after and found that Gore actually won.

None of these states are as close as Florida 2002 and no one was claiming voter fraud.

lol fpot is melting down for no reason. Why so angry? You don't live there. You have Biden coming in to replace Trump. R U OK?

https://www.beyondblue.org.au/the-facts/depression

What happened to Obamagate and the hunter biden scandal, Infi?

The same thing that happened to Hillary when Comey admitted she broke the law but refused to prosecute because apparently according to the FBI her intentions weren't criminal when she decided to delete 30,000 emails. These establishment politicians are protected by all levels of government and are covered for by their propaganda agencies (MSM).

When the left whinges about Trump making a transition difficult, you have to laugh at the level of hypocrisy. This treasonous behaviour was par for the course for the last 4 years and now the left thinks that "unity" is possible. The US is finished as a democracy regardless of the results of any future elections.

What happened to Obamagate and the hunter biden scandal, Infi?

there is only limited resources and hours in the day. obviously resolving the election fraud is the most pressing issue.

yes... alleged.... of course.

http://bestanimations.com/Cartoons/Simpsons/Homer/homer-simpson-animated-gif-7.gif

Disappointing really.

the only way out for infi appears to be to go full conspiracy theory

and you never want to go full conspiracy theory :(

I think it might be time to shut up and f*** off 9/11 truther boy.

edit:

the only way out for infi appears to be to go full conspiracy theory

It may seem that way, but there is also the oops the guy I supported at the start is now trying to destroy US democracy and become a literal dictator so I am no longer able to support him option

Unfortunately he is a mentally weak little daddy's boy. Maybe daddy said he has to like trump no matter what or he'll take away his allowance. In any case truth and acceptance of his own mistakes is obviously way beyond our special little guy and he'll just believe whatever it is he's told to believe. Imagine what trump would have been allowed to get away with if he won a second term. The US was so close to complete and utter disaster. They've managed to improve their condition to almost certainly f***ed with Biden's election. If only the billion dollar loser would move out of the way.

It's kind of ironic in a way. They believe they're entitled to a scandal against Biden as an equaliser and made one (several) up. Wealth-distribution bad, scandal-distribution good.

The right have quite literally lost their minds.

trans men in womens sports,
trans 3yo children,
BLM and defund the police,
doxxing and assaulting people they disagree with,
rioting and looting whenever something doesn't go your way
cancelling people, banning books that don't agree with your world view
calling 71m+++ voters literal nazis
ignoring electoral laws so you get more votes
occupying a city because of hurt feelings, then complaining when emergency services don't attend
advocating that the electoral college should ignore the election results.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnW5-XDWMAUDRGo?format=jpg&name=large

sure guy.

when the legal votes are counted and the President declared that's the end. it's such a basic concept.

when the legal votes are counted and the President declared that's the end. it's such a basic concept.

is it though? e.g. the end of what? I know you don't mean "the end of fraud allegations" or "the end of me believing that fraud didn't occur"

based on your previous comments you mean "the unfair, illegitimate end of the presidency of DT, interrupted through Democrat and "the lefts" collusion to rig the election before the start of his rightful and pre-ordained second term"

so nah it's not thaaaaat basic a concept

the rest of your list just pales in comparison to the fact that more than one person is dying of COVID every minute in the US because of a totally rudderless administration

all lives matter my ass

I would have started by not flooding the airwaves with dangerous misinformation about a lethal, highly contagious virus. I would have then followed up by not promoting miracle cures and would have engaged in not mocking people for wearing masks and other methods that actually help reduce the spread of the virus. After this I would have refused the credit for beating COVID-19 (note: a thing that isn't even close to happening yet), because if the deaths are not my responsibility, and if a national response is not my responsibility then how can any successes be to my credit?

A federally devised and implemented strategy of delivering the best education and resources possible and a national contact tracing and testing scheme is all it would have taken, but he wasn't even able to deliver on that basic concept.

So Trump should have been more authoritarian. Dear state Governors of flag waving freedom'ers, please close your borders. and contain your outbreaks. Signed Donald.

Did a meme tell you that it's lethal?

So what are you suggesting the US Federal govt should have done?

as I said when this started, if they didn't want to be responsible, they should have shut the f*** up, thrown their hands up in the air, and gotten out of the way, if they thought it was just a states issue. (it's obviously not just a states issue)

but the administration did the exact polar opposite of this - lied, dissembled, tried to evade responsibility and then in the same breath trying to take credit for everything that they did

you want to talk about what they should have done by totally ignoring all the stuff that they /did/ actually do

states have some share of the blame but it was massively, incredibly, hugely exacerbated by the moron in chief. too much of the state's share of blame comes from the fact that some significant group of their citizens paid attention to the sheer noise being thrown down at any opportunity by the federal government

like any state had an even remote chance with even some small percentage of idiots running around with no masks denying it was a problem and calling it a hoax etc - let alone the vast numbers that actually did, parroting the attitudes that they saw coming down from on high from the administration

if he'd literally shut up and gone golfing for the last 9 months it would have been staggeringly less damaging than what he did do

there is a laundry list of just totally obvious things the federal govt could have done, beginning with simply shutting down movement of plague carriers into the country sooner and more effectively (e.g., not exempting citizens), or at the very least providing emergency federal support for quarantine and testing of returning citizens. CDC could have been empowered to step up and manage instead of treated like a liability and political football. federal funding programmes like PPP and the other one for citizens could have been better planned and executed (was a s****how that accomplished nothing other than corporate welfare to the tune of a trillion federal dollars)

meanwhile deaths are up 80% from last month and hospitalisations over 100%. it's still going up. still nothing is going on to stop it.

history is going to look back on this period and those that were like "yes well maybe coronavirus is bad but at least it's not Hillary" and wonder what the actual f*** was going on in the heads of people

edit: thinking further, if we start with the premise that the US federal govt is limited by Constitution in such a way that it is legit incapable by design of preventing a plague from ravaging the country, then I would suggest that system of govt is broken by design

It's over peeps, the transition has begun.

Yeah it's a done deal. Short of something unbelievable Trump's boned.

there is a laundry list of just totally obvious things the federal govt could have done, beginning with simply shutting down movement of plague carriers into the country sooner and more effectively (e.g., not exempting citizens)

Jesus h Christ. Don't allow citizens to return home. The criticism of "fascist" Trump is that he wouldn't strip citizens of an absolutely fundamental right. Hillary definitely would have done that. Turns out the vaccine is just her pissing in your eyes while sniffing Andrew Cuomo's fingers after he's banged your wife.

Look forward to a lengthy post about Australian universities paying cash rewards to international students to subvert Australia's quarantine effort.

edit: thinking further, if we start with the premise that the US federal govt is limited by Constitution in such a way that it is legit incapable by design of preventing a plague from ravaging the country, then I would suggest that system of govt is broken by design

Yeah and you'd be fundamentally wrong. Constitution doesn't allow citizens to be stranded in a foreign country by decree of the president is a totally serious well thought out criticism.

so yes, the US federal government is incapable by design of preventing a plague? there's literally nothing they can do in this situation and states just have to deal with it? edit: and then the federal government has to shoulder the costs of trying to recover it?

I can't be assed shooting down the rest of your dumb points for the nth time or watching your sad, desperate attempts to once again try to change the topic by making it into a which party has the bigger hypocrites competition, but if we can just cut to the chase on that issue that would be great

Look out, the sad little incel boy who thinks 9/11 was an inside job doesn't think you're a serious person.

OK I feel bad that I didn't reply because it's rare that you actually reply to more than one line in one of my long diatribes so even though you missed the more substantial parts of what I wrote I'll have a crack.

yes, it is. Same as in Australia. The National Cabinet in Australia operated by states' consent - and each state implemented outcomes differently - as you would be well aware. The US is not a small country or an autrocracy, so it also requires cooperation of the federation of states. Don't worry every journalist I have read is ignorant to this legal fact.

maybe the journalists are too busy exploring the cognitive dissonance of people who claim the US federal government has no power and couldn't have done anything anyway and then go on to make a laundry list of all trump's many great successes in dealing with the quarantine?!

fwiw in Obama's much-mentioned pandemic plan that was allegedly provided to the administration, it mentions the following federal agencies as being critical as part of the pandemic response: Dept of State, USAID, HHS, CDC, NIH, FDA, OASH (Office of the Assistance Secretary for Health), HHS Office of Global Affairs, DOD, USDA, DHS, DOT, and others).

I am confident all of these agencies have had some involvement in dealing with the pandemic to date in at least some capacity, although whether it was done in a coordinated manner as devised by whatever working group put together "Obama's plan" (or any of the other no doubt zillion pandemic plans that have existed prior to this) I don't know. but it seems unlikely.

so when you ask "what are you suggesting the US Federal govt should have done?", I think about the sheer, staggering might of the US federal government across its many varied agencies (you know, the might that your ilk try to fight at every opportunity - often for good reasons many of which I agree with, but the fact is it is there). I think about the fact that when I was a US taxpayer, the biggest part of my paycheck went to the federal government. I think about the fact that the federal government is solely responsible for border security and it has been a never-ending painful topic of discussion forever and that the biggest risk in a pandemic is travellers bringing more pathogens into the country.

are you referring to Fauci or Trump - did Fauci recommend for or against masks? Just remind me? Which one is the doctor?

again weird inexplicable Fauci hate outta nowhere. I'm still largely in news avoidance mode but is there some new campaign against this guy I'm not aware of?!

but I'm not going to comment on this, it's just evasion to try to change the subject from trump being a serial liar and having made a total mess of coronavirus by lying about it and dismissing the risk continuously. there is just no defence against this other than trying to change the subject

even mainstream factcheckers admit trump did not call covid a hoax. Fauci was the one who said don't wear masks.

this is a strawman and not what I said, see above comment about ignoring

Trump shut down flights from china in Feb much to the resistance from Democrats.

so... he can do things? but it's the democrats fault somehow (even though he did things)

so Govt literally cannot prevent citizens from returning home - they can be subject to quarantine.

the federal government is the only entity that can make decisions about things crossing its borders, which is why it's ultimately responsible. even trump actively considered a proposal to temporarily block citizens returning home - i.e., even if it's something they "literally cannot prevent" (provably false, see 9/11 and the shutdown of all air traffic), they can just pass a new law.

anyway it was just an example - even if it was "literally" impossible (it wasn't) they could have at least provided federal support for forced quarantine

You seem to struggle with understanding the American culture which is bizarre because you have lived there. Americans don't trust their govt, they don't listen to their government and they have a constitutional structure which in most states keeps them largely free from govt day to day management of their lives.

yeh I also think it's weird how I've lived in the US for 7% of my life, have American family and friends, lived in that famous democrat bastion *checks notes* Ohio and somehow I'm the one that struggles to understand America?! I dunno what it would take for my experience to

To be blunt, attributing the US covid situation to Trump is just plain retarded. Contract tracing is done with small outbreak situations. Don't be so naive and get a little perspective on the situation.

you must be upset because I don't recall you ever abusing anyone here before!!

Isn't the brazen hypocrisy of these moralising lecturers just a little grating?

hypocrisy is often terrible and I too hate it when politicians tell us to do one thing and then do the other. if a green politician got up and told me to be worried about the environment but then I found out they commute alone in a diesel 4wd I would be the first person to click the little sad or angry face on a facebook post to register my discontent.

but it is also hypocritical to point out moments of hypocrisy amongst [insert your favorite team here] and then ignore it when it happens in [insert name of team you don't like here]. if you want to have a hypocrisy-off between, say, dems and republicans, you'd have to start with the "there's always a tweet" captain of the universe who, to his credit has never (afaik) deleted one of his mega-hypocritical tweets of the last decade (tho to be fair maybe he doesn't know how).

(a hypocrite sounds like it would be a fun web game to make - a little tracker for each event that occurs and a panel of people can rate its hypocrisy and then at the end of each month everyone can compare scores)

again, ignoring all this bulls*** I just wrote - let's stipulate that the US federal government can do nothing. unless I'm missing something, this implies that the US is completely and utterly defenceless against pandemics, by the design of their system of government. we can see the costs of that failure of design - 200k+ dead, rate of infection + death increasing. they're nowhere near the worst part yet; some hospital systems are starting to get overwhelmed which will be a big problem. they've just had thanksgiving.

if that is the case, then my position is simple: the US system of government is defective by design if it cannot protect its citizens from a deadly pandemic.

Well thats enough cringe to last the rest of the year

Spending 3 million of MAGA bux to get Joe Biden 132 extra votes, this is the end of a presidency that just keeps giving.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/27/president-elect-biden-gains-votes-in-wisconsin-county-recount/

Just waiting on the mountains of evidence of the "obvious voter fraud" bros

Thousands of affidavits!!!!!

Just waiting on the mountains of evidence of the "obvious voter fraud" bros

Thousands of affidavits!!!!!

Just because you refuse to read it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It's also 'deeply puzzling' don't for get that!

Just who is this Patrick Basham?

Patrick Basham is director of the Democracy Institute.

Oh, Sounds good. What do they do?

the Institute has taken part in pro-tobacco activities and has previously received funding from the tobacco industry

Oh, advocate killing people for a living. Fair enough.

Nice ad hominem Scooter. Is he also a Nazi? I mean, that's the logical next step for you guys when you're either too lazy or too stupid to look into anything yourselves (read: the last 4 years and counting)

TL;DR fpot middle-aged, probably alcoholic bouncer froth, as usual.

It is precious to watch fpot carry on about how a fascist was voted out of office /eyeroll *while* telling people about posts the ought to be embarrassed by.

I look forward to every public comment Biden makes constituting impeachable "obstruction of justice" now that Durham has been appointed a special counsel over conduct Biden was involved in.

I listened to the witness testimony at yesterday's 14 hour hearing and read the affidavits. I guess they are all fake.

Humans have a tendency to stick their fingers in their ears and go LALALALALA when confronted with something that conflicts with their internal narrative.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/whistleblowers-allege-thousands-vanished-ballots-allegations-backdating

Sworn testimony of several whistleblowers on Tuesday alleged what one election integrity activist is calling "potential ballot fraud on a massive scale," with multiple eyewitnesses testifying to alleged suspicious behavior in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

In a press conference in Arlington, Va., the Amistad Project — a civil liberties initiative of the Thomas More Society — presented the testimony of three individuals who claim to have witnessed apparent voting malfeasance during the 2020 election.

One, Jesse Morgan, a truck driver for a subcontractor with the United States Postal Service, claimed that a trailer he was driving, one full of potentially upwards of 288,000 ballots, disappeared from its parked location at a Lancaster, Pa. USPS depot after Morgan dropped it off there. Morgan had transported those ballots from Bethpage, N.Y.

The subcontractor also reportedly experienced "odd behaviors" from USPS personnel, behaviors which postal experts have said in sworn statements "grossly deviate[d] from normal procedure and behavior," according to a press release from the Amistad Project.

Another whistleblower, Nathan Pease of Madison, Wisc. — himself also a subcontractor for USPS — alleged that he was told the postal service was planning to backdate tens of thousands of ballots in the days after the Nov. 3 election in order to circumvent the ballot submission deadline.

A third witness, Gregory Stenstrom — who testified at a Pennsylvania legislature hearing in Gettysburg last week — claimed to have witnessed a Dominion Voting Systems vendor inserting jump drives into voting aggregation machines in Delaware County, Pa. Election officials also reportedly commingled various jump drives from aggregation machines, potentially frustrating the ability of auditors to properly certify the election results.

the level of co-ordinated fraud targeted to specific counties right where it would impact the outcome the most is astonishing.
- mail voter fraud
- vote duplication
- acceptance of illegal votes
- mishandling of ballots - breaking chain of custody
- epic questions over the computerised ballot systems

The US's election systems are pathetic. All these concerns were raised by Democrats in 2016, so in 2020 they opted to exploit them. Now we see if their checks and balances are capable of rectifying such extensive fraud.

Standard Operating Procedure.

https://i.imgur.com/9rJx5HS.jpg

FedEx and UPS are not allowed to carry US ballots

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-ups-fedex-exclusive/exclusive-ups-fedex-warn-they-cannot-carry-ballots-like-u-s-postal-service-idUSKCN25B00I

but here they are.

https://twitter.com/IvanPentchoukov/status/1333890415662075911?s=20

Dominion contractor describes Michigan vote counting processes as "complete fraud" in open hearing testimony.

I listened to the witness testimony at yesterday's 14 hour hearing and read the affidavits. I guess they are all fake.

Humans have a tendency to stick their fingers in their ears and go LALALALALA when confronted with something that conflicts with their internal narrative.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/whistleblowers-allege-thousands-vanished-ballots-allegations-backdating

the level of co-ordinated fraud targeted to specific counties right where it would impact the outcome the most is astonishing.
- mail voter fraud
- vote duplication
- acceptance of illegal votes
- mishandling of ballots - breaking chain of custody
- epic questions over the computerised ballot systems

The US's election systems are pathetic. All these concerns were raised by Democrats in 2016, so in 2020 they opted to exploit them. Now we see if their checks and balances are capable of rectifying such extensive fraud.

Cool i guess we will see the physical evidence of that then

Is that the hundreds of thousands of votes required across multiple states to turn the election?

But people giving sworn statements is evidence just FYI.

Yeah, like this woman, who has signed an affidavit. Even Rudi tries to get her to shut up.

Well that's kind of the issue isn't it.

The courts in Pennsylvania have been declining to do a detailed review because the ballots have been separated from the envelopes and so it would be difficult to provide a meaningful remedy. Because the fraud evidence such as it is would apply to the envelope not the ballot itself.

Hence we are off to the Supreme Court now.

Given that Biden just announced he wants to appoint a woman to head of OMB who pushed the idea that Russia hacked into voting machines and changed votes in Pennsylvania in 2016, which to be clear has even less evidence than voter fraud, you'll have to excuse me if don't get my panties in a scrunch over the strength of fraud claims.

Yeah, like this woman, who has signed an affidavit. Even Rudi tries to get her to shut up.

With clarity of thought and command of the facts like that looks like Biden overlooked a solid veep.

Just in case you need a reminder of what a court victory looks like.

Absolutely they are, but if there is fraudulent ballots - surely these ballots can be brought up as direct evidence? It should be able to be put next to a legal ballot and the differences pointed out.


I imagine they will need like a semi trailer or a truck and dog to carry the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots to the court.

How many signature match audits have been permitted?