http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/08/malaysia-airlines-777-200-has-crashed-location-imprecise/

this link seems to getting updated as new information comes to light

the only time that a 777 has had a fatality was the Asiana flight, and even then it could be argued the fire truck helped in that figure

they should look here..

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Island_in_Google_Maps

239 staff and customers. 7 australians 2 new zealanders, a few other nationalities, but mostly chinese.

thats not cool mosfx, hope that CM pull their watermark off the image


the reports seems to be bouncing between 6 and 7 aussie now, however the airline (which has been pretty open and timely with all information to date I have to say) have only stated 7, and it looks like the reports of 6 are from other news agencys picking up on a mistake (???)

the beacons dont work past a certain depth underwater, but the 777 is a robust plane, so it would I feel left a large degree of debris if it hit hard enough for the beacons to sink quickly enough to not get a signal

while it looks all rather bleak, there is hope that it was something that has gone wrong, and those people on board are safe and waiting to be found and rescued

With six degrees of separation shouldn't one of us know an aussie on that flight?

Well still no sign of the plane yet, Malaysia Airlines have come out saying they have presumed it's crashed in the sea somewhere, S&E teams are heading to the known flight path but depending what happened the plane could be anywhere.

Tbh you would think in this day and age, it would take mear hours to have a high res sat pic over the area clear enough to see where it went down.

Yeah blows my mind that they can just lose a modern plane like has happened. Must be a bombing instantly incinerated. And I'm going on a 777 in a weeks time great...

Edit: yep I'm going to guess a bombing. An Italian and Austrian reportedly on the flight manifest have been identified as not boarded the plane. With the Italians passport being recently stolen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=1

doesn't seem anyother outlets are reporting this, hopefully find something soon

Yeah Helyi.

It's all about energy management at the ATC with the IFR and CRF's.

Is little ph33x upset at two abbreviations he can't google?
Intellectual Bellcurves and all that.

i think in that case ph33x, it would be PAN, PAN, PAN, saying that you have control, and are planing a forced landing,

Negative on PAN PAN sir!

There is immediate danger to my passengers, I figured a Feels Mayday would be more appropriate. It worked as Helyi is maintaining radio silence.

some sort of issues

Ok.

Oh I see. Ph33x is still mad about some battlefield jet thread or something because I didn't agree or 'side' with him against some other guy or something.
First troll post all makes sense now.
lol, s*** other people forget that you hold onto son.

Oh I see. Ph33x is still mad about some battlefield jet thread or something because I didn't agree or 'side' with him against some other guy or something.
First troll post all makes sense now.
lol, s*** other people forget that you hold onto son.

All this deep thought and time invested...

Most people would initially be like 'har har' and moved on. This is your third jab now. Stop being so mad - it's Sunday yo.

Ava' a laff ya f***head.

watchout for the murdoch spin!

there is a lot of unrest in china at the moment, and seeing that the plane was mostly Chinese pax, there is a fair chance that the Xinjiang separatists are behind it if it is an attack

watchout for the murdoch spin!

That goes without saying. Reliable news from the guardian, ABC and SMH only!

Pretty sad news. Especially for anyone's friends or families that was on the plane.

Isn't the most likely explanation that the plane just crashed? It would be good if they could recover the black box. Though, dunno how likely that'll be given how big the ocean is.

I like to think it wasn't any involvement from terrorists, especially in this post 9/11 world.

Isn't the most likely explanation that the plane just crashed? It would be good if they could recover the black box. Though, dunno how likely that'll be given how big the ocean is.

If the plane crashed it would of sent out it's distress beacon, this is what the issue is they never received it so more than likely something has happened to it suddenly, I'm leaning towards terrorism with Chinese separatists.

On a side note the new Liam Neeson movie is good

Hasn't there only been 2 777s involved in crashes? 1 was the BA flight at Heathrow that had dodgy fuel, everybody lived. The other was the Asiana flight that landed short (pilot error) with 3 people dead and apparently 2 of them were killed when an ambo of fire engine ran over them in the grass.

PS: Asiana is such a good airline, other than pilots that look like this;

http://archive.meemi.com/m-82972274a87717137b64e5757683d4a642598de51ac518cc8745500e1063b49a.jpg

spot on ph33x

the BA flight was ice build up in the engines, and the only "crash" that could be slightly caused by the aircraft, but there were other factors like possible fuel contamination

as for the Asiana flight at SFO, that wasn't the aircraft's fault at all, infact that aircraft type helped keep the death rate low

current (until this flight is found) there are only three deaths that have been caused by this aircraft type (and you could argue that 2 of those were the Asiana pilot, and one a fire truck, but the figures dont take that into account)

I'm guessing aliens. Nothing else could have done it, so it's gotta be aliens. I've been reading that link in Faceman's sig. It makes too much sense not to be aliens.

In reality, maybe they didn't know comms were down and then s*** kinda happened!?

It took 2 years for the Air France flight to be retrieved, although that was different circumstances, they knew where the plane went down just couldn't get to it with it being stuck 4000m below the ocean.

This whole ordeal is sketchy just so many different reports coming out, no one seems to know where it really was.

This article leads me to think the plane may have been stolen. Maybe there was someone important on the plane

WSJ: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Probe Sharpens Focus on Sabotage

Apparently it turned off its tracking, then changed direction and height and flew in (above) the commercial jetliner routes used on trips to Europe/MidEast, so would have been very hard to pick up in those busy lanes. Every hour it pinged a satellite for five hours. Apparently it takes a considerable amount of technical know how to disable that ping, so it either crashed within the following hour or some government or group with significant resources and know-how just stole a plane full of people.

the malaysian investigators are already denying that it was hijacked.

eh nevermind. the article i read was published a few hours before the malaysian prime minister said it was hijacked.

maybe but its a bit of an out of the fire into the,,, situation

My initial guess was plane got hijacked and hijacker manually override the plane and cut off all communications. Land the plan somewhere very isolated and already arranged and hold hostages (but they wanna mess around so that the investigators keep on investigating until a couple more days/weeks when they popup with footages etc). Not going to name any potential countries, but possibly hijacker has something against the Chinese (since the majority of the passengers are Chinese)

Or another scenario would be hijacker took control of the plane, fly it for sometimes and crash it to the ocean (possibly area which is out of the range currently being investigated)

Either way, family members would prefer the first news. So sadddd

it would be very difficult and expensive to keep 240 hostages alive for a long period of time.

Especially with plane food.

This s*** is Cray.

Are we assuming that the government is negotiating with the terrorists?

Where is a place a plane like that 'could' safely land without ever being spotted on a radar? What?

Yep.

Clearly one of two things is the case. 1: The plane crashed into the ocean, the majority of the time out of radar range, or 2: Radar defences are way overestimated.

If it's this flakey finding a 777, how are these missile defense systems really supposed to do the job they are purported to do?

Remember this?

Stephen King's - The Langoliers (1995)

check out all the has-beens in that show.

Or it landed in a country friendly to the hijackers.

Maybe, could be getting fitted with a nuke as we speak. Would make it one hell of a sophisticated WMD.

A terror group could just buy a commercial airliner.

I have never bought a commercial airliner before but this sounds a little far fetched.

There is a little plausibility in the WMD theory in that a fully fueled 777 would be able to take off a lot further away from its target, as in it would have a huge range if it was more of a missile than a passenger plane. Perhaps they are planning on circumventing detection or imitating another flight to get close enough to the target for the Air force to stop them. They have already shown they have the technical expertise by switching off they tracking systems.

Its a lot more likely there was something on the plane they wanted tho. The Freescale employees perhaps.
I heard they also made high tech weapons??

Twenty of the missing are employees of Freescale

http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1907348&highlight

Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) is a global leader in embedded processing solutions, providing industry leading products that are advancing the automotive, consumer, industrial and networking markets. From microprocessors and microcontrollers to sensors, analog integrated circuits and connectivity – our technologies are the foundation for the innovations that make our world greener, safer, healthier and more connected. Some of our key applications and end-markets include automotive safety, hybrid and all-electric vehicles, next generation wireless infrastructure, smart energy management, portable medical devices, consumer appliances and smart mobile devices. The company is based in Austin, Texas, and has design, research and development, manufacturing and sales operations around the world. www.freescale.com

Firstly Malaysia really dropped the ball on the communication side information was slow and I had the impression they had no idea where it was.

Air France plane they found wreckage 5 days after it crashed, took them two years to find the black box.

This is different the US have said this plane went on a lot longer after it lost contact, I bet anti-terror agencies are going nuts looking for this thing.

I'm flying to Singapore next week it'll be interesting to see if there have been changes to security, even though Australia is pretty tough already.

I was going to fly from Malaysia to Beijing next week but Im f***ed if Im gonna trawl through 300 pages of news f*****y results on google to find a cheap flight.

Pull ya s*** together Google, its not like you give a s*** anyway.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/Pilots.jpeg

What the f*** does that image even mean Faceman?

It's a stock photo of pilots and then a photo of pilots taking a selfie? God you buy in to some complete bulls***.

so what you are saying is you dont think Women can make good pilots now? Hey the 1950s called and they want their sexism back

Your idiot level just reached a new record. If after all the news coverage you think they are pilots.... lolll

This just gets more and more bizarre by the day.

Haven't kept up to date in the last few days, So correct me if I'm wrong, Do they know for a fact it went DOWN in the ocean? Couldn't the people of just hijacked it and flew it to somewhere in particular? No idea why? Just saying.

It landed over at Rottnest, I know a guy who saw it.

If it landed somewhere surely someone onboard would have got a message out via text or something once in range of cell towers?

I'm pretty sure it's in the ocean somewhere.

and the fact you cant see a joke/take a joke

ummmmmm

Read something yesterday that was interesting. Recons the person flying the plane traveled across country in the radar signal of a asia->Spain flight, and names the possible flight

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

Also the initial change in altitude to above the recommended flying height, if accompanied by cabin depressurization would've taken care of all the passengers in a matter of seconds - apparently 9-16 seconds at that height and humans have lost functional conciousness

I heard the pilot hocked the plane at cash converters.

Also the initial change in altitude to above the recommended flying height, if accompanied by cabin depressurization would've taken care of all the passengers in a matter of seconds - apparently 9-16 seconds at that height and humans have lost functional conciousness

It's also not possible for that plane to fly at that height hence why they said when the engines sent data of 45,000ft that "the data does not make sense".

At that altitude the plane would simply cease to fly. And before that it's service ceiling is well below 45,000ft. Meaning a measly ~300ft/min climb at maximum thrust.
The closer you get to a planes absolute ceiling (the maximum height at which a fixed wing aircraft can theoretically fly at maximum thrust whereby its engines are producing exactly the required amount of thrust to overcome aerodynamic drag at exactly the minimum airspeed required to maintain lift [no loss of altitude] in perfect co-ordinated flight).

Another way of looking at is it's like approaching the speed of light. The closer you get, the harder it gets to achieve.
The closer to absolute ceiling a plane gets the more likely it is to just fall out of the sky. Trying to get to it in level flight is almost impossible because a mere degree or two of pitch, yaw or roll would mean the aircraft would stall and probably even enter a violent spin at those sorts of altitudes which would be catastrophic an certain destruction for a passenger jet like a 777.

A 777 just does not have the thrust capability to get anywhere near those altitudes by zoom climbing either ('rocketing upwards' at a rate of ascent greater than its sustainable climb rate by engine power). Especially since the higher you go the faster you need to travel due to less dense air thus the maximum rate of sustainable climb is lessened, therefore the ability to produce 'excess speed' to zoom climb with becomes more difficult to attain and that excess speed also yields less return on the ascent due to the same reason.

TL;DR. The 777 didn't hit 45,000ft. I'm inclined to believe their disbelief of that data as being inaccurate.

last edited by LordHelyi at 22:57:15 18/Mar/14

Some interesting analysis here.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

So is the reason planes don't do GPS is because they're pretty much too high for it to work effectively?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/10006179_642446792494597_96066030_n.jpg

Audi, that information has been known since the first day.

Audi, that information has been known since the first day.

heh, i thought audi must have posted that url as a joke... coz well.. it's an 'article' about a theory based on same random guys comment on another news site.
freescale are just a regular semiconductor manufacturer... the whole 'electronic warfare company' is pure media hype.

heh, i thought audi must have posted that url as a joke... coz well.. it's an 'article' about a theory based on same random guys comment on another news site.
freescale are just a regular semiconductor manufacturer... the whole 'electronic warfare company' is pure media hype.

Source?

So Aussie planes on route to check out debris that may or may not be MH370 related.

I suspect the catastrophic fire theory presented above is the most likely scenario.

http://i.imgur.com/vMrt9XI.jpg

doesn't explain why the plan possibly ended up down past the southern tip of WA

It could.
It's happened in history where a crew has been incapacitated and the plane continues to fly on autopilot until complete fuel exhaustion and then crash killing everyone on board.
Interested read when scrambled F16's see pilots slumped on the controls and watching a plane fly itself and they can do nothing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522

If the malaysian flight did have a catastrophic event then flying on autopilot whilst sorting it out is possible and apparently pretty standard procedure (assuming control surfaces/plane still maintaining a clean configuration)

As for the other conspiracy theory of following another plane out.
Mate of mine (Air Traffic Controller at Brisbane Airport here) and qualified as a commercial pilot had this to say about it when just asked it was actually even possible.

Theoretically, maybe -> yes. Basically formation flying requires a lot of skill and practice. The autopilot would have been flying both aircraft due altitude and it would have been impossible for the following pilot to get SIA's flight plan. They would have needed to watch them.like a hawk for 6hr for small turns and level changes. Plus they can only visually see other aircraft from a short distance and identify from a few miles. Also they can't tell the flight number without verbally asking someone. Possible, but immensely unlikely.

So basically the only way to "find" SIA from on board the malaysian plane (no radar) even if they knew where it would be roughly, the only way to find it would be to visually spot it. And that's pretty unlikely if they were out by a few miles or if the other plane was above/below expected altitude or behind/ahead of schedule. So, highly improbable.

Plane likely had some catastrophe and is a repeat of Flight 522.

i just called my parents-in-law to check with them. they said the fire onboard is likely.

all they do when they come to my place is watch air crash investigation on my foxtel when they come to visit, so they've seen every episode.

Can you imagine the cost of all this searching...

Tone found the right wing of the plane? eh? eh?

err, it is 100% possible, sure the aircraft isn't rated to fly above 43,100ft, but that doesn't mean it isn't able to fly above it, (yes i'm aware there is a finer line between stall and flight the higher you go, but that is also the safe limit, it doesn't take into account the air "thickness" on that day, the thicker the air, the higher it can go)

fyi, all civialian aircraft flying pretty much have that same service ceiling,

so while your point is valid for the rest, you statement that the plane couldn't fly at/above 45000ft is false

Eh? How does a fully fuelled, passenger loaded 777 climb to 45,000? It can't. Airliners struggle to get to 35,000ft after takeoff let alone another 10,000 after that.
Some may be at ~41,000ft towards the end of their run when they have significantly less fuel.


The whole 45,000ft thing was a ping from primary radar which is totally inaccurate for altitudes especially at large distances that it was pinged from.

Sure these jets could hit those altitudes not fully loaded with cargo, passengers and significantly less fuel.
This plane, not a chance it hit 45,000 so soon after takeoff.

Pretty much zero chance it also then dived within one minute to 29,000ft.
More likely it had very little variance in altitudes between those pings

last edited by LordHelyi at 19:26:51 21/Mar/14

What sort of technological barriers do we face, that prevent us from implementing both real-time tracking for aircraft anywhere in the world, and remote control overrides (sitting behind ten layers of security, for obvious reasons) as a safeguard against incidents like incapacitated pilots or hijackings? Anybody fill me in on why it's not yet possible?

plane loses cabin pressure incapacitating everyone on board

This actually happens?

there have been military radars that also detected the aircraft at 45000ft

Military radar is primary radar.
Primary radar doesn't ascertain altitude accurately at long distances.

In this instance I'm fairly sure any radar that picked it up was quite some distance away.

Seems some more theories are being tossed around:

Near the end of CNN's special primetime report on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, anchor Don Lemon read a pair of tweets he received from viewers suggesting the plane's disappearance could be the result of a "black hole," Bermuda Triangle or an occurrence akin to the television series "Lost."

Lemon then turned to Mary Schiavo, former inspector general of the US Department of Transportation, and said, "I know it's preposterous, but is it preposterous, do you think, Mary?"

"It is," Schiavo replied. "A small black hole would suck in our entire universe. So we know it's not that. The Bermuda Triangle is often weather, and 'Lost' is a TV show."

"Right," Lemon said.

Well thank goodness they can cross those causes off the list. Bad enough to recover a plane from the bottom of the ocean but who knows how long it would take to recover a plane from a black hole?
http://www.allnewsau.com/news/cnn-anchorman-asks-could-black-hole-explain-mh370-mystery

what insults? (yes there was a comparison, but I didn't call you an internet warrior)

i've not insulted you, nor was it my intentions, I pointed out that it is possible (do get the plane to that height), multiple experts have stated the plane went to 45000ft, and that you shouldn't dismiss it because you dont think it was able to reach that height,

also as pointed out much earlier that not all the details have been released, it is possible that the height figure has been extracted from one or two primary radar sources at first, then confirmed as each country released it's own radar data (making the figure more reliable)

also, please spell my handle right,

Copuss

co-imac***-puis

ok im not even trying

co-imac***-puis

http://www.larryberkelhammer.com/wp-content/images/Sad-dog-face.jpeg

,could the people still be alive ?

Zero possibility.
Even if they were shaded from the sun for full daylight. Over two weeks with no desalinated water.
That's if hypothermia at night time didn't kill them.

Why havent they 'phoned a friend?'

Because they are dead, see above.

Debris field found this morning via search aircraft. Speculated as highly. Likely to be from the missing plane.
Would link but on mobile.
Cyclone down south may prevent further efforts in the next few days

I think you could be talking about this

It reads like it would be hard to mistake for bits of plane.

Wow people get so mad

As if the plane went down in a massive vat of coca cola.

so glad i ponied up the $4/week for theaustralian.com.au so i can read actual things that are actually happening IRL

I use Google News and find the site that gives out information for free.

Yeah France said there satellite images look like they have found debris too so hopefully they find the wreckage this week and provide the families a little bit of closure.

hmm it looked as though it was heading as far away from a landing site as possible.... why?

3: Santa.

Santa is at the North Pole.

Black box apparently been found?

Never mind just weak signals. Stupid headlines

UPDATE!!

It looks like the search teams have found the wings. Now they'll be searching for the wongs.