Quadcopters.
Who has one? I've been through thew couple of old thread about them... i know demon, and a couple others have them.
I just bought a little blade MqX and its awesome fun. I saw someone else on here had a 'discovery'. Dayyumm they are expensive. For a full on FPV kit is like $1600. But it looks hella fun. Sooo.. show us your goods please and any forums that are useful/informative, CheerS! |
07:49pm 13/05/13 Permalink
I have one of the blade mqx quads. Heaps of fun, but I've gone through a few motors (2x $20) after around 15 hours flight time and decided to build a bigger one instead. Just got around to ordering all the parts. Looking forward to putting it together
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08:23pm 13/05/13 Permalink
Bromby (or anyone else) want to throw together what build kit or the process involved in getting into this?
I have heard of some cheap as chips kits getting around (~ $30) but i can't imagine they would be great. probably perfect for starting though? |
08:41pm 13/05/13 Permalink
The Blade MqX can be bought for $150ish delivered and it was advised by Mephz to start in that ballpark. Great for getting coordinated with the flying because you will cash... alot.
As for building one, it's my first time so I'm gonna have a bunch of problems, but that's part of it I guess. Trial and error is gonna play a massive factor although it, for the most part, seems straight forward enough. Head over to www.hobbyking.com for a bit of an idea on parts and prices. Thats where I've bought all my gear. |
09:45pm 13/05/13 Permalink
Yeah i got my Mqx from modelflight.com.au
$160 delivered i think. So much fun! Still fly like a spaz though after my first week :) |
06:27am 14/05/13 Permalink
Ill just whore out my fixed wing FPV because FPV is awesome regardless of fixed or quad :)
Beautiful sunset and some <2m formation flying with another fixed wing. Speaking of quad though, I have flown an mqx that I got for my old man and it is goddamn hard without the auto-return to level flight.. I think it may have been demon who suggested about the quad. He's the FPV/Quad guru ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rWtpoyHC8Q snap from vid: http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/942196_10151587151053209_977697594_n.jpg |
08:14am 14/05/13 Permalink
Mephz, is that fpv?
Edit: derr, I should have read your post. why don't you make a vid with some tricky d***y stuff like flying between trees, chasing cars etc? |
08:45am 14/05/13 Permalink
quadcopterz!@# wewt! :D
i have 3 functioning fpv quadcopters at the moment. :D all around 450mm mtm. I saw someone else on here had a 'discovery'. Dayyumm they are expensive. For a full on FPV i have a tbs discovery... excellent setup for fpv! $1600 would be the pre-made one & i advise against it! make it yourself from the kit parts.. it will end up more like $400 AND most importantly you will know how to fix it when you break it... you WILL break it. :) good forums :- general info but you'll need to apply your bulls*** filter : rcgroups lots of au fpv guys & home of the openpilot controllers : openpilot those 2 are all i use regularly. still learning how to fly fpv properly but it's tons of fun... also tons of fault diagnosis & repair work.. so there is that too ;) trees are jealous of my ability to fly & try & swat me ;) i'll post some build info on my quads when i get home tonight. |
09:04am 14/05/13 Permalink
Nice save demon, you did well keeping it off the deck. Also I'm envious of the space you have there. Great spot!
Speaking of quad though, I have flown an mqx that I got for my old man and it is goddamn hard without the auto-return to level flight.. They're a real handful but it definitely trains your reflexes and teaches you about the attitude of craft when you maneuver. |
03:10pm 14/05/13 Permalink
Also Trin, do you have the problem while flying your MqX, when its hovering and you nail the throttle, it flips violently backward? Mine did, so whenever I found I had to use a burst of throttle, it would go stupid and crash. It was very annoying.
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03:21pm 14/05/13 Permalink
I really would love to get into these, just have to find one i can hook my 9mm hk upto so i can take the fight to the deer during deer season :-P
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03:43pm 14/05/13 Permalink
cheers guys :D no damage to the copter... it just bent my gopro back so it was facing upwards for the flight back to base :p
here is a bit of comedy... always remember to disarm the motors before putting the tx down.. obligatory fangin' around the park fpv with tunes... so much fun :D |
03:58pm 14/05/13 Permalink
Does the OpenPilot controller allow for USB connectivity to a RC simulator?
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04:16pm 14/05/13 Permalink
Also nice save, that could have been quite the walk.
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04:19pm 14/05/13 Permalink
the openpilot cc3d board that i use does have a usb port & excellent free (open source) setup software... not really sure about simulators though sorry... i've never used a sim :p
i just learnt to fly a quadcopter los (line of sight) till i was reasonably competent at it before i tried fpv. i still crashed a lot... i still crash a lot! :D |
04:24pm 14/05/13 Permalink
Hey bromby, nah mine doesnt go to flip back when i give it full throttle. Just zooms up at a million miles an hour and usually sorta off to one direction :)
Demon cool videos! That first one with the tree branch is funny as :) http://www.team-blacksheep.com/products/product:162 is the fpv quad i was looking at, so $$$$ ouch. Thanks for all the info demon I shall start reading :) |
06:41pm 14/05/13 Permalink
that is a pro kit trin.
the standard 750kv motors are rebranded tiger t-motor 2212-750kv i think.. which are good motors but meant for a bare bones light craft imo. the 900kv option would def be worth the $90. the 25mW video tx will only be good for about the size of a football field in video range & won't have much penetration. |
08:39pm 14/05/13 Permalink
yep. the video up there ^ called 'throttle bump' is a recording of exactly what i see in my video goggles. it's still low def because hd video transmission isn't in the hobby arena just yet. the goggles aren't ideal for me either because i can't wear my prescription glasses under them.. but i like the portability of them over a monitor.
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09:20pm 14/05/13 Permalink
nah mine doesnt go to flip back when i give it full throttle. Just zooms up at a million miles an hour and usually sorta off to one direction Ah that's what I thought, no mater how I tried to trim the receiver, it would just throw backward and became unrecoverable. I thought something was defective. Ah well, time to build! |
08:36am 15/05/13 Permalink
Quadcopters + oculus rift = Total win.
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09:42am 15/05/13 Permalink
Also if you quad is flipping over when you give it a blast of power it could be due to:
Chassis is bent, so the 4 rotors are not on a level plane, this will shift the lift angle sightly and at full throttle it may not be able to compensate. Or the power being sent to some of the rotors is out of proportion to the other rotors, possibly due to a problem with the ESC's, can they be calibrated? |
09:48am 15/05/13 Permalink
possibly due to a problem with the ESC's, can they be calibrated?I don't think they can, I'm not overly worried though. It was to light for the area that I live in, always fighting the breeze and not having fun flying, although I did enjoy the challenge. Keen to get started on my build! |
11:47am 15/05/13 Permalink
I got a question you guys might be able to answer. I see demon had a gopro attached to his. What is the payload of the quadcopter on that blacksheep website?
http://team-blacksheep.com/products/product:162 |
11:41pm 15/05/13 Permalink
you can get rough calculations of how much payload a quad can take using ecalc
just plugging in some rough figures for that tbs discovery in your url ross... with the 750kv motors ... ~128g extra payload.. f*** all. but.. i did put the overall weight as 1500g which would already include the gopro weight. with 900kv motors ... ~844g now that might seem like the 'standard' setup with 750kv motors is s***.. but that's also using the standard 9" props... going to 10" props will get you another 400g of payload... so there are a few variables you can play with to get what you want. |
09:33am 16/05/13 Permalink
bromby, the 2836-1000kv is probably overkill :) (400w!!) it will still perform ok i rekn but you may find the power consumption will mean short flight times per battery. the 2826-1200kv is probably a better choice.
i have used those ntm 2826-1200kv motors.. great performance on 3s with 10" props or 4s with 8" props. s*** quality! sorry, but it's the truth :( of the 5 of them that i bought... one had it's bearing seize after about 10 hours of flight time.. one smoked! one of them is constantly losing it's circlip & will come flying apart mid-flight for the lols ;p but don't let that put you off.. plenty of ppl have great luck with them. fly 'em hard n when they break get some better motors ;) |
02:57pm 16/05/13 Permalink
No worries man, thanks for the heads up. Yeah the 1000kv @ 400w is bulls*** powerful for the application form what I gathered, but you've just clarified it for me.
Basically went that kv range from the recommendations of the frame I got. This is it. Also, what motors have you had the most luck with? Oh yeah, I was gonna ask you about your FPV goggles. What do you run with? I'm gonna get the quad together and get pro at it before I go down the FPV track. |
03:09pm 16/05/13 Permalink
the ntm 2826-1200kv motors will cain on that q450 frame.. it'll have oodles of power :)
hrm luck with motors... i don't have that ;) i got expensive scorpion motors ($75 a pop) & they failed constantly... broken wires & bearing seizures. i got cheapo ntms & they also fail a lot... i got a few other brands with mixed results. so far the most flight time i have had without failure have been rctimer 2216-930kv motors... but that said, a mate who has the same motors has had a few bearing related woes. it's partially luck of the draw with the quality... & partially how many times they get crashed into things ;) one motor that i see a lot of knowledgeable multirotor guys use is the sunnysky 2212-980kv ... relatively cheap, good bearings. i have some.... but i've only given them about 2 hours flight time on a testbed quadcopter. i use fat shark predator v2 goggles... i don't think they are available anymore. from what i read around the forums the fat shark attitude sd goggles are supposed to be really good. hd goggles are supposedly just around the corner... depends if you want to wait or not... fat shark base hd goggles they have been "coming soon" since about november 2012.. |
03:28pm 16/05/13 Permalink
Seems to be a roll of the dice then, no worries.
Yeah I watched a video on the FS Attitude sd and they were raving about them. I literally just got an email from them about the charger I ordered being out of stock and they aren't carrying them anymore. Any recommendations? I'm getting 3s 3300mha batteries. Sorry to keep hitting you up for phat newludg bass |
03:53pm 16/05/13 Permalink
i use the turnigy accucel-6 charger for my lipos. it does the job but it needs a dc power supply... i just use a hacked up old pc power supply.. any dc power supply that provide ~12-18vdc @ 5a will do fine.
there are lipos chargers with built in power supplies i think but i got no experience with them. |
04:09pm 16/05/13 Permalink
I have a HobbyKing ECO6-10 200W Ordered it out of the AU HK warehouse. Has the standard turnigy/HK menu and works well.
I use it on a DC powersupply that can put out 200W so can charge some batteries at their charge rate without any issues. A friend of mine has the Just Another Charger 80W 6A that HK use to sell. It has the intergrated DC PSU but only does 80W so charging is a bit slower for the higher capacity batteries. Looks like they stopped selling it so they can sell their own version. I'm getting 3s 3300mha batteries What is their charge rate in C? Not sure if you saw the thread with this google doc - http://goo.gl/G3sRD Most of the prices need to be refreshed but you can get the idea, also probably better off getting a CC3D clone board since they are easier to come by these days especially if you are a beginner. |
04:19pm 16/05/13 Permalink
Hah you puny quadcopter payloads ;)
My flagship runs 1050kv (11655rpm) 850W turning a 12" screw with a 7" pitch :) I need to do a speed check.but I reckon 150kph is not out of.the question. Flat stick on calm winds she fross the 200m diameter field I fly at from end to end in around 4-5 seconds easily :) Waiting for halyconHD camera soon when.money allows for fpv+recording all in one |
04:56pm 16/05/13 Permalink
150km/hr????? quadcopter????
I just smashed the s*** outta my blade mqx trying to do some flips.. its now pretty f***ed i cant even fly stable. Time for an upgrade! |
07:26pm 16/05/13 Permalink
Trim nah not quadcopter. I cheat with aerodynamics and wings that generate lift :)
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07:37pm 16/05/13 Permalink
Hahahah trin I bought a heap of propellers for mine before I wrecked the second motor. If your manage to get it going again you're welcome to them. |
08:43pm 16/05/13 Permalink
something tells me the future of FlightSim games is running around with this tech with mates on a field to see who can take out who the most... via an interface from their home PC
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11:16pm 16/05/13 Permalink
What is their charge rate in C?Sorry mate I totally missed your reply. They're 35C batteries. I had the same charger as your mate on order. Might as well grab their version now. I also checked out your google doc, what do you need servo cables for? F*** I hope I haven't missed anything! Any chance you guys could run your eye over my list of parts? I'm anxious I've forgotten something. Link. Lemme know what if I've missed anything or anything you would change. I'd appreciate it. |
01:39pm 17/05/13 Permalink
They're 35C batteries. I had the same charger as your mate on order. Might as well grab their version now. 35C would be the discharge rate, need to know the charge rate so you know what rate to charge them at. 35C * 3.3 (from it being a 3.3AH battery) = 115.5Amps max draw on discharge There is now your charge rate would be that high, probably more likely 1 or 2C. I also checked out your google doc, what do you need servo cables for? You need the servo cables to connect the controller to your RX/radio receiver if you are using a board like the KK2.0 or MultiWii. If you are using a controller like the CC3D then it comes with a pigtail to connect to your RX. |
01:46pm 17/05/13 Permalink
bromby you might need some mounting hardware (like nylon threaded standoffs) for mounting the flight controller... i'm not sure though, as i've never used a multiwii fc. also... i see an orange tx module... but no rx?
otherwise it looks like you are good to go :) |
02:29pm 17/05/13 Permalink
There is now your charge rate would be that high, probably more likely 1 or 2C.So man, my bad. Yeah the charge rate is 5C max. And the servo cables, sorry I was confused with something else. |
02:35pm 17/05/13 Permalink
demon, looks like I need to make some changes. I got that one purely because it was on the accessories list for the transmitter :(
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02:37pm 17/05/13 Permalink
Surely since we are all getting an Oculus rift at some point, you could use that as your FPS goggles?
Is there any reason not to get the 9xr? |
02:56pm 17/05/13 Permalink
i'm only vaguely familiar with the oculus rift headset.. is it just a pair of lcd screens the same as fat shark goggles? or is there some cool technology associated?
on the turnigy 9xr ... it's a great budget radio... with open-source firmware & lots of user tools. but it doesn't come standard with a tx or rx module. so you have to choose a tx & rx module to suit it. as it's a $50 radio from hobbyking, you have to expect that not every single one they pump out of the factories is going to be quality. you may get an awesome one.. or you may get a dud... & returning a $50 radio to hong kong isn't worth it. i used a turnigy 9x (the predecessor of the 9xr) for a while & got a dud.. then a good one. i use the dud as spare parts for the good one. at $100 it was still cheaper than every other radio with similar features. |
03:13pm 17/05/13 Permalink
i have a Spectrum DX8 and it is win. If you use a transmitter with some really nice gymbles you will notice the difference. Also the menu system on the 9x is pretty arcane and annoying to use.
Don't get me wrong though, for the price the 9x and 9xr are both massive bang for your buck and have very active communities supporting and modding them. For RX/TX packs for the 9XR (the 9X already comes with them) I would look at the FrSky stuff, for example. The orange stuff is okay but only 6 channels, which would be enough initially but not if you want to do in air tuning or able to turn multiple accessories on and off. That said I do have a few orange bits and pieces for little quads using satellite receivers talking directly to CC3D controllers but when configured like that you get access to all your TX's channels (8 in my case). Also, the 9XR listed on HK is a mode1, im not sure what you fly but me and my mates all fly mode2, so if your friends use a certain mode it is best to stick to that, so then you can fly (and crash hah) their stuff too.. |
03:28pm 17/05/13 Permalink
Sooo a guy at my work also bought a quadcopter today, some $90 job. This thing can do flips and side barrel rolls and stuff, i cant do
anything like that with mine!!! Although I did get to steal his 4 spare blades so i could get mine flying again :D |
06:21pm 17/05/13 Permalink
Also annoying of the MqX, the motors sorta pop out so they're not working with the gears when I have hard stacks. His seems so much tougher I crashed it
multiple times and the motors didnt even move outta their mounts :( Blade Mqx - $150, Mr Toys $90 :'( |
06:22pm 17/05/13 Permalink
I use 9XR yeah. I had to solder tactile microswitches to the PCB of mine under the maltese cross because the rubber conductor original pad was total ass on mine and had erroneous inputs at times. Two of my mates on the othrr hand are fine... But mine clicks and has tactile feedback so is nice now anyway :)
I use frysky telemetry module and receivers. For what the 9XR can do the equivalent spektrum/futaba would.cost you nearly $1000. I have a spektrum radio and I prefer the gimbals on the 9XR. No issues with range with my setup at this point. Supposed to.br good for 2.5km but I have only.gone maybe 1km horizontally |
08:15pm 17/05/13 Permalink
So I emailed HK on Friday arvo to change my order and it was sweet. Ended up getting this receiver and changed the motors to the NTM 1200kv motors to increase the flight times. I also impulsed on one of these.Can't wait for it all to arrive! A bunch of the stuff is on back order so I'm guessing its gonna be around 2 months before it all arrives. Anyone with previous experience and expected wait times?
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10:33pm 20/05/13 Permalink
Order arrived from the Australian warehouse yesterday without the batteries :( put a support ticket in thought the support centre. See how it goes. Anyone had to chase something like this up with them before? There are a tonne of negative threads about customer service issues with them.
Anyone know a phone number I can call? |
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08:54am 27/05/13 Permalink
pinky : cheers :)
bromby : that sucks :( i've never had an order from hobbyking that was missing parts before... but i've had to send faulty gear back before n it was a major pain in the arse. :f took ages to sort out... yeh their customer support is not awesome. i got the quickest action by jumping on their livechat support & spewing my angst in text at one of their support staff. make sure you have the appropriate order numbers/ dates n stuff to quote to them. mantis : that is very cool... i bet it would break easy though! |
09:21am 27/05/13 Permalink
Thought I'd share this incredible pic a friend snapped of my bigbird (MKII Hurricane) in flight.
http://www.facebook.com/ajax/messaging/attachment.php?attach_id=81f56a80a5345d53fd478534118352e0&mid=mid.1370062214195:36c2ecc39ca6099725&hash=AQAv2qfZGkqK7JvQ And then FPV in the rain! FPV is a new camera/gimbal setup, I'm working on making full 3D moving pilot & c***pit. Just doing testing in this video working on best camera heights etc. first Will be remaking this canopy larger and camera higher (this is pretty scale perspective but it would be no good for enjoyment/ease of flying with no physical feedback). http://www.youtube.com/edit?video_id=8gvMrjX3abk&ns=1 |
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07:51pm 01/06/13 Permalink
So while this is far from an FPV setup, it is good for the lower end / light payload people out there.
While I've not got a quad / multicopter, I do have a few regular heli's (Newest one is a tiny WL Toys V911 4ch micro). Recently 'discovered' FPV and wanted to start getting video without dropping too much on the initial outlay: http://www.personalsecuritycompany.com.au/collections/spy-cameras-mini/products/4-gb-hd-1280x960-spy-car-key-chain-mini-camera-concealed-dv-motion-detect-recorder-909?utm_source=myshopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Gifts+Gadgets&utm_term=4+GB+HD+1280x960+Spy+Car+Key+Chain+Mini+Camera+Concealed+DV+Moti Bob's your uncle, it's getting here Monday. Apparently will record at 1080p (not quite, but close enough) and has a 4gb stick in it already. It's also quite small and quite cheap. Runs 30fps, colours look a bit average though and the lens is quite a small FoV compared to something like a go-pro. Also, it's not designed for FPV goggles and such, but you should still be able to get some nice footage for cheap on things that normally can't mount a bulkier FPV set up (such as light jets / gliders even). |
09:43pm 01/06/13 Permalink
damnit... where the hell were these things when I was younger and had more time and expendable income?
DX sells them... though I don't know if they're dodgy or not |
03:08pm 02/06/13 Permalink
*edit*
admin - this double posted. consider this a support ticket or something |
03:08pm 02/06/13 Permalink
http://www.perthrc.com.au/teleporter-qvga-kit-2-week-warranty-sale.html
not sure what the price is yet, but i'm guessing cheap. |
03:30pm 03/06/13 Permalink
http://www.perthrc.com.au/teleporter-qvga-kit-2-week-warranty-sale.htmlnot sure what the price is yet, but i'm guessing cheap. Fat shark RTF kits are about $300 American, so probs a bit more Aussie. |
04:24pm 03/06/13 Permalink
why does it look nasty? if it were under AUD$150 it would be an alright buy
it's just an earlier version of the dominator or predator versions? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiqRbm4hH_A |
04:34pm 03/06/13 Permalink
why does it look nasty? if it were under AUD$150 it would be an alright buy yeah, i think it would be a good first option. couple of my mates are looking at it for that reason. |
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Here's a few printscreen shots from the cam from my new FPV camera (1080p - 1/4 the size of a gopro and 1/5th the weight!)
Video feed itself will only ever be low def. due to current vTx tech. (release HD already!) Images are through my canopy as well which is colour degrades and grains up the shots. Still flying this camera by sight at the moment while working on the c***pit/canopy area. As a test, stuck a pilot model from a friends bixler in there (far too small - he ejected off a barrel roll. Was there in the reflection of the canopy before the barrel roll. Disappeared after the roll hahaha) but the reflections are nice and clear for when the fullscale arrives (yet to black out the inside, waiting for my $3 GIJoe pilot to arrive ;) Compressing the video these shots are from at the moment. http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/474866_10151647618528209_1431566234_o.jpg I wasn't hassling the dogs here, its my preferred landing pattern to come between the trees and I can get down low earlier plus land near where I take off :) Cow pattern glare is all missing paint from the hatch. Colour in black = no longer visible A good tip for anyone looking at doing FPV, use black around/in any canopy you make! http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/965694_10151647618388209_621479860_o.jpg Last one bit of colour loss since it became overcast + shooting through my canopy its preferential to be nice and bright outside :) The white crap bottom corner is all distorted reflections, reflections are all from missing paint off the hatch (need to colour them in black!) http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/966907_10151647618513209_1911347824_o.jpg |
12:28pm 08/06/13 Permalink
Yeah thats from Horyzon HD cam demon!
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04:35pm 08/06/13 Permalink
What version was your Horyzon? this is the V3.
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04:53pm 08/06/13 Permalink
This is bulls***, you guys are flying every weekend it seems and I've been waiting for 2 weeks for the transmitter battery to restock. One part holding up my entire order :( *first world probs*
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05:50am 09/06/13 Permalink
Canopy off (actually nosed over on some thick grass today and canopy popped out of its gluing so), attempting to stiffen up my mounting to reduce vibration.
Will colour in my c***pit interior now to reduce glare and await the pilot :P Video from the above screengrabs. Up to 1080p: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaUxiRhsUXA |
10:47am 09/06/13 Permalink
TED Talk - Raffaello D'Andrea: The astounding athletic power of quadcopters
Well worth a watch. i love reviving this thread :) |
10:21am 13/06/13 Permalink
I've finally made a start on building c***pit/pilot.
Preliminary testing for alignment :P http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/v/1005267_10151666766593209_2004151530_n.jpg?oh=b74b371687dba4634391eb1ca68d62bd&oe=51C20821&__gda__=1371714345_f8a0f04b05d95b47f711409e8c8fa3b3 |
11:08am 18/06/13 Permalink
Demon, you might be interested in this - http://buildandcrash.blogspot.com.au/
it is the blog of peabody, one of the devs that left OP and started taulabs. He has designed his own board that has a brushless gimbal controller addon. Texas City Dike Yacht Club from James Cotton on Vimeo. |
04:11pm 18/06/13 Permalink
Demon, that's an amazing video. Amazing landscape.
Brushless gimbals are so sweet. This (collective) tech is developing so quickly. Great future of this hobby ahead. |
09:15pm 18/06/13 Permalink
Very impressive. Once I get my s*** together I'm gonna have to get one. I'm planning on capturing a heap of surfing footage from around my town over summer and I think this will enable a very unique perspective.
Also, f*** hobbyking can f*** around when sending orders! I just received that my order was sent. Waited over a month for the transmitter battery then had to cancel because it was still on backorder. Fingers crossed it doesn't take an age in transit. /whinge |
12:26pm 19/06/13 Permalink
I've been building and working on one of these.... on a smaller scale.
http://i.imgur.com/06RVLA8.jpg |
08:00pm 14/08/13 Permalink
That's awesome. How much is the kit? Got a link?
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08:06pm 14/08/13 Permalink
nice cam gimbal demon. is that your fpv full tilt view so you can really get a sense of the feel for the turns? :)
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09:49pm 14/08/13 Permalink
I built mine but could get it to take off level. F***ed around with it for ages. I'll post the visa in the morning in. Ended up giving up and ordered a kk2 board and afro escs. Should be here next week
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10:53pm 14/08/13 Permalink
bromby : what flight controller are you having problems with? apologies if you have already said.. i've forgotten.
you should be ok with the kk2.0 though... it's a decent fc, if somewhat unrefined. adsa : nice vid :) mostly clear signal on the video... what frequency & vTx power are you using? here is another of my fpv videos from my 'park basher' quadcopter... it's cheap & rough as guts so i don't mind giving it a thrashing :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK2WNjNv2Cw |
09:21am 15/08/13 Permalink
adsa : nice vid :) mostly clear signal on the video... what frequency & vTx power are you using? I have a 200mw 5.8ghz version with circular polarized antennas. I can safely get 900m with out video signal loss. I am looking at getting a 400mw or possibly a 600mw Tx and use the 200mw on my quad. |
06:07pm 15/08/13 Permalink
Hi Adsa! :P Audi, the Kit I have is called a Crazyflie nano. Heres a video of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WBUVYZkODI |
09:56pm 15/08/13 Permalink
Ah this thread has resurfaced!
Here's a grab from my FPV cam of my completed c***pit from the Hurricane, can only see it when looking down or reflections in canopy. Unfortunately I broke my pan servo and have been significantly too lazy to replace it. Been waiting to maybe get a 180+deg servo and get more panning out of it. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/994313_10151787678818209_23320329_n.jpg |
12:43am 16/08/13 Permalink
Demon it was the Multiwii Pro board.
Video one Video 2 Video 3 F***ed if I could work it out. I had no joy on the rcgroups.com forums or the flitest.com forums. I'm of the conclusion the board is faulty. Meh |
07:28pm 16/08/13 Permalink
ahh that sucks bromby :( i wish i could help you out but i know zero about multiwii controllers or their software.
at least when you get the kk2 i can give you some assistance if you have problems. this board is my favourite flight controller atm... hands down. a bit more expensive but it's easier to setup & feels more controlled to fly. |
08:37pm 16/08/13 Permalink
Early morning flight this morning.
Nice sunrise and some dense ground fog with some fog plumes! :) Sunrise moment after takeoff, closer to what we were seeing on the ground: http://s8.postimg.org/7tqi99nqc/Sunrise2.jpg Dense Ground Fog http://s8.postimg.org/nb9ez84tg/Sunrise_Foggy.jpg Sunrise, the lake to the right in line with the nose and the bay to the right above. Fog plume visible just above the nose :) http://s8.postimg.org/z4783g19g/Sunrise_High2.jpg Obligatory/Signature wing shot :) http://s8.postimg.org/uywbhj3hg/Sunrise_wing.jpg |
09:19am 17/08/13 Permalink
Last one just cause
http://s8.postimg.org/59qa1fask/Low.jpg |
09:56am 17/08/13 Permalink
09:58am 17/08/13 Permalink
Sunrise this morning, photo I took of a mates EDF Vampire.
http://s8.postimg.org/vn9re7rkz/Wallpaper.jpg |
10:45am 17/08/13 Permalink
[edit] standby, I am going to upload to one of those free sites and edit the previous posts URLs if I can
[edit2] Ok I changed them all. Should be working now? |
12:05pm 17/08/13 Permalink
Demon that board looks good man. I want to be able to utilize GPS down the track. Is that board capable? I was considering this board down the track with this GPS unit. I'm going to try a tricopter setup with my Multiwii board but if it doesn't work it;s going in the bin D: the cc3d can't use gps as far as i know... there could be some hack jobs out there but in it's standard configuration it can't use gps info. it's mainly a smooth flying acro board... that's what i like about it :) i have a naza with gps & i never use it... the gps stuff is good for a bit of a novelty... hovering perfect in it's spot, return to home & stuff like that. but once i tried all those things a few times i didn't use the gps features much. occasionally the gps return to home does get me out of trouble when there is a control signal loss.. but that's rare.. still handy though :) i don't know anything about those hkpilot fc's... but my gut feeling is that because i have not heard any other fpv pilot mention them... they aren't very good :p i could be wrong though. cool pics mephz! real nice one of the vampire against the sunrise! |
01:58pm 17/08/13 Permalink
Yeah I sort of only wanted the gps for the RTH function. I'm going stick with the KK2.0 board for a bit then do the fpv thing. I've started flying planes with a bunch of fellas from around my area (Yamba NSW) and a few of them have FPVed their Bixlers which are great!
Mephz for some reason I can see any of those pics? |
07:25pm 17/08/13 Permalink
Ah sorry Mephz, they don't show up in the forum but can access them now if you open in a new tab. Some sweet shots mate
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07:29pm 17/08/13 Permalink
Vid from this morning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er2szvIGCCA |
09:08pm 17/08/13 Permalink
Adsa the flitest.com guys are awesome. Very worth while videos. I want to build the V-tail quad. Looks awesome.
Sweet vid Mephz. Every time you and demon throw a vid up it motivates me to get my shift together ha |
04:34am 18/08/13 Permalink
Truly awesome stuff in this thread, especially the TED talk.
I could imagine this becoming a viable method of transport some time in the future. |
10:33am 18/08/13 Permalink
I took this snap yesterday afternoon. There was a fire some ~15+km (as the crow flies) away.
Altitude 1000ft. http://s13.postimg.org/5tr4335rp/Fire.png |
10:33am 22/08/13 Permalink
I built mine but could get it to take off level. F***ed around with it for ages. I'll post the visa in the morning in. Ended up giving up and ordered a kk2 board and afro escs. Should be here next week Bromby, make sure you have all the escs calibrated the same, calibrate the ACC too, then make sure you plug in the unit on level ground and leave it for 30seconds before trying to fly. see if that makes a difference. http://www.multiwii.com/wiki/index.php?title=ESC_Calibration http://www.multiwii.com/wiki/index.php?title=Calibration_Accelerometer |
12:58pm 22/08/13 Permalink
Demon that board looks good man. I want to be able to utilize GPS down the track. Is that board capable? I was considering The CC3D can take a GPS, but it can't really do anything with it, like position hold, fencing or back to base atm. I believe they ran out of resources on the chip before they could do that. OP have the Revo controller out now that they are planning on implementing those features on. I have the following controllers (sparkys are still in transit) Naze32 (like a multiwii on a STM32) - http://abusemark.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=30 OP CC3D - http://www.openpilot.org/products/openpilot-coptercontrol-platform/ OP REVO - http://www.openpilot.org/products/openpilot-Revolution-platform/ Sparky+Sparky BGC - http://www.multirotorforums.com/showthread.php?11581-Sparky-new-Tau-Labs-flight-and-brushless-gimbal-controller OP's GCS make the quad sooo easy to set up, I expect the sparky to be the same. Revo flies like the CC3D but just the the ability to have more features added down the track. Naze32 files well, it is designed/made by the same guy that designed the afroESCs but CC3D/REVO are my favourites atm. |
01:07pm 22/08/13 Permalink
cool stuff ara :)
i missed out on the op revo kickstarter... i just hope they opensauce the hardware like they did with the cc3d. i'm not in a burning rush for the revo though. as per my last post, i am finding the acro more fun atm... don't need gps or funky features for that! :) cc3d suits me fine atm. i just bought a acro naze32 (the cheapest one) from timecop, coz i was buying my inversense gyro chips from him & threw one in the cart :) haven't mounted it yet though. the tau labs sparky looks interesting! where can i get me one of them? :] |
01:50pm 22/08/13 Permalink
the tau labs sparky looks interesting! where can i get me one of them? :] ask peabody in #taulabs on freenode. |
02:20pm 22/08/13 Permalink
few pretty sweet pics from this morning.
The final pic that formation gap was closed to about 2m and the held perfectly for about 270 degrees with a ~100m radius turn. Bloody hard to do and not trying again anytime soon :) http://s22.postimg.org/h5hyu2ob3/HC4.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/tiut0zdzj/HC5_10.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/wae2rlci9/HC5_13.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/x16sxdevj/HC5_22.jpg |
02:28pm 22/08/13 Permalink
I'd like to see some high aerial photography from your quads.
One thing planes can't do is stop to capture a super fantastic shot :) |
02:38pm 22/08/13 Permalink
Quadcopters cant stop either apparently.
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04:11pm 22/08/13 Permalink
heheh yeh saw that video :) ... dji phantom .. the noob'o'copter
it can stop fine... the person controlling it just needs to lrn2fly it. (edit) mephz : i'll see what i can do... but it's all been technical difficulties & crashing & fixing lately for me! :( |
04:22pm 22/08/13 Permalink
when i get my gimbal quad going ill do it, change the gimbal tilt to straight down with altitude hold on
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05:26pm 22/08/13 Permalink
great vids and pics in here! anyone else using apm boards?
Bixler, Phantom fx-61 and q450 quad. I run arduflyer boards in my planes and quad, gps and radio links to laptop. I like the follow me feature the gps module allows when you connect to the quad via your phone, but mostly the return to home function when I go out of video or transmitter range Also neat planning missions and telling your quad/plane where and how high to go by right clicking in Mission Planner Google Earth maps and selecting go here. A couple cameras my favourite at the moment is the new mobius 1080P. video tx boscam 200mw 5.8ghz with circular antennas. Very happy with the result. I'm waiting for the 1080p Oculus goggles(also for iracing) so in the meantime I bought the $99 FPV sunglasses and modded some old dirtbike goggles as the sunglasses don't block out enough light if you know what I mean.. I am quite surprised how ok they are, pretty dam close to the fat shark models. Tho i wish the $200 dollar fat sharks were available when I bought mine. |
09:23pm 22/08/13 Permalink
Bromby, yes great board is another apm copy like the arduflyer, I didn't realise hk now have the ublox gps module, quick lock and precise in comparison to the others.
This is what i use: http://rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=822&productname= |
09:35pm 22/08/13 Permalink
that does sound pretty cool f**les! i've never used an apm board but i know a couple of guys that do.
i am digging the mobius too :D a great evolution of the 808. i've pretty much ditched my 808 #16 now i have the mobius. hd goggles are gonna sell out so fast when they finally arrive. |
10:08pm 22/08/13 Permalink
I just finished building a hexcopter, this is my first multicopter. APM 2.5, 600mw video link, OSD, brushless gimbal. Flies nicely although not too happy with the AX2810 motors so have some sunnysky 2814's on the way. Haven't been game enough to do full on fpv flying yet but will do soon!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f3EnwpjBgr4/Ug3_ydXB8KI/AAAAAAAAXBg/jiiXj0Xr6fI/w1026-h577-no/20130816_113226.jpg |
10:52pm 22/08/13 Permalink
I just finished building a hexcopter, this is my first multicopter. APM 2.5, 600mw video link, OSD, brushless gimbal. Flies nicely although not too happy with the AX2810 motors so have some sunnysky 2814's on the way. Haven't been game enough to do full on fpv flying yet but will do soon!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f3EnwpjBgr4/Ug3_ydXB8KI/AAAAAAAAXBg/jiiXj0Xr6fI/w1026-h577-no/20130816_113226.jpg |
10:55pm 22/08/13 Permalink
One of the guys that flys at the turf farm out near beaudesert has the dev kit version of oculus, is working on twin cameras for 3d fpv :O
I'm new to quads and need more practise on keeping an eye on how quickly I'm returning to earth, I tend to focus on the horizon more than I should :P Had a rougher than average landing last weekend, bounced and flew on for another 20 seconds before(I assume) a blade broke sending me back to earth which then broke every arm. Luckily hk now stock the arms and full kits for $11 so cheap and quick to get back in the air. Whats your trick for balancing blades? sanding takes aaaaaaages I've just had some carbon fibre blades delivered so going to try those tomorrow(taking the day off!) Already the rage builds in my loins for a 6+ way coptor but do I really need to spend the money.. :P My next move is Turnigy 9XR with FRSky module for two way communication so it'll warn me when link is getting low, bad and goooone. Also link within a second. I'm currently using Spektrum DX6i with OrangeRX and satellite receivers. I've had a couple unexplained momentary drop outs and the more people I speak to about it ask me if I'm using Spektrum. |
10:55pm 22/08/13 Permalink
Nice quad Bikeseat!/
You really went all out for your first one, looks great |
10:59pm 22/08/13 Permalink
I just finished building a hexcopter, this is my first multicopter. APM 2.5, 600mw video link, OSD, brushless gimbal. Flies nicely although not too happy with the AX2810 motors so have some sunnysky 2814's on the way. Haven't been game enough to do full on fpv flying yet but will do soon! Cool lookin' hexa. envious of your gimbal :D i reckon those sunnysky 2814s won't fit though... they are massive! what voltage battery do you use with those ax2810s? i have some 750kv versions & they went pretty hard on 4s. Whats your trick for balancing blades? sanding takes aaaaaaages sanding & a prop balancer :( yup can take a while if the balance is bad. i use futaba, i've had loss of signal but they are usually related to antennae being chopped by props :p |
11:22pm 22/08/13 Permalink
I can flip the motor mounts to the upper side of the arms so the motors will fit. I'm running on 4s, with one 8000mah pack and AUW of 2.96kg I needed 65% throttle for hover. I have since realised that the props a likely to close to the boom so this may be part of the issue, anyhow will change the motors so I can lift a slr further down the track. The Sunnysky's should do nearly 2kg per motor on 4s with a 11 x 5 prop.
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11:35pm 22/08/13 Permalink
Bromby, make sure you have all the escs calibrated the same, calibrate the ACC tooYeah I calibrated them with the receiver and then tried through the board with the same result. I calibrated the ACC and it seemed to work fine one the bench while plugged into the computer and observing the feedback in the GUI. Some voodoo s*** was going on. yes great board is another apm copy like the arduflyerYeah I've read mostly good things about the board and the GPS unit seems to be highly rated. My next move is Turnigy 9XR with FRSky moduleThats what I'm running with my plane atm. It's very handy. not too happy with the AX2810 motorsSay it isn't so! I've just ordered a bunch of these. I'm only gonna run them on 3S with a minimal load (no camera or FPV). Hopefully they work alright. |
12:02am 23/08/13 Permalink
They'll be fine with less load, I would strongly recommend changing the bearings though mine have developed a lot play after three flights. It's a known weak point with that motor, after that you should be fine!
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12:27am 23/08/13 Permalink
Screengrab.
Planes... boldly going where Quadcopters.....can't? https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/v/1234689_593948003982460_1696210175_n.jpg?oh=b41c8fe586006e15bef644fef889e6ef&oe=521A00FF&__gda__=1377448283_f736d1f65529f8ceb29be63f3379cc25 |
02:46pm 24/08/13 Permalink
Pictures gone :( May need to put it on something like imgur.com.
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05:40pm 27/08/13 Permalink
06:38pm 27/08/13 Permalink
So first actual flight today, lots of issues to sort out but not a complete disaster for a windy day. The building you can see on the left after take off is the Mclaren technology centre.
http://youtu.be/EUtm-8QeQnE |
07:25am 31/08/13 Permalink
07:26am 31/08/13 Permalink
hi guys, please do this and report back to me with pixtures
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/unmanned-aircraft-bought-online-being-deployed-to-monitor-private-and-public-property/story-fnihsrf2-1226707858451 |
01:39pm 31/08/13 Permalink
CASA requires a drone operator to have a controller's certification and certificate. Drone pilots require general aviation knowledge in line with a private pilot's licence, and specific unmanned aircraft skills.ROFL. Whilst yes some knowledge is preferable and makes things safer and easier. That's about as ridiculous as saying a kid can't play with an remote control car if he doesn't have a drivers licence. Totally different skill sets even if the basic physics remain the same. Also, who on earth is going to be spying on women on the beach with these things. Grab some binoculars or a video camera with a telescopic lens wouldjavascript:void(0); provide significantly better footage and easier. |
04:17pm 31/08/13 Permalink
04:54pm 31/08/13 Permalink
Woking, UK. Hence why you can see the McLaren building :)
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05:19pm 31/08/13 Permalink
the hkpilot board looks/sounds like an ardupilot board... And if it runs (or is able to run) the arupilot firmware, gps shouldn't be a problem.
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11:55pm 31/08/13 Permalink
Demon, I'm looking at build a Quad, budget around $300ish give or take.
My current reading has the cc3d as possibly one of the better FC's around for a reasonable price. Except I'm having a terrible time finding a place that sells it in stock, even having trouble finding a clone that will run the software. Can you help a brother out and help me get an idea of how to get hold of one of these? Or if there is another flight controller that is similar? |
08:32pm 02/09/13 Permalink
Nevermind, found a place that sells them and have stock.
However looking around I'm still thinking perhaps I should go for an arduino based controller, arg. Anyway, I give it 1-3 years until Laws come out that stop people from using these without a license. |
07:34pm 03/09/13 Permalink
Managed to get around to actually going for a fly and re-arranging my c***pit a bit.
I might throw an extra servo on there next and make the flight stick moveable with controls. I have taken the canopy off for now until I build a proper one, the old coke-bottle has become far too scuffed and difficult to see out of: Nice morning for some altitude climbs ;) http://s18.postimg.org/48100oz48/Bixsphere.jpg |
10:47am 07/09/13 Permalink
hey toll, sorry missed your previous post! cheapest cc3ds are at readymaderc
i think you will find that the laws will be here very soon.. my prediction is in the next 6 months. |
03:12pm 07/09/13 Permalink
Went for my maiden flight this morning without a single error! Then threw in the second battery send received a ACC error. F*** this hobby is frustrating. (kk2.0 board)
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08:14pm 07/09/13 Permalink
So demon, in your opinion are there any better boards than the cc3d? I was looking at some of the Taulabs stuff and wondering about that. Also the Naze 32 is good too.
The reason why I think cc3d is for me, is that I want to control most of the quad myself, keeping it highly agile yet be able to let the board take over when I want. Once I settle on the board I'll go into choosing my other components, I figured it would be best to start with the board. |
09:19am 08/09/13 Permalink
the openpilot cc3d is my favourite (atm) of the 3 controllers i have tried... naza-m, kk2.0 & cc3d. there could well be 'better boards' but i have no experience with them so i can't really say. i would probably say that the openpilot revolution is a 'better board' than the cc3d because it has all the cc3d goodness plus some 'yet to be fully released' extras.. but good luck getting one.. rare as hen's teeth. openpilot did one kickstarter run of revolution boards for the dev team & there is currently no set plan to produce more.
a couple of my fpv friends swear by the naze32.. the expensive version of the naze32 can use gps & has a lot of functions. atm i have a cheap (acro only) naze32 but i have yet to use it... still having too much fun with my cc3d copters :) the cc3d is great for tuning the copter to exactly how you like to fly it, a great pilot's acro board! but when it comes to 'letting the board take over' when you get in strife... all it can do is level the vehicle. it won't auto-land or return to home. just bear in mind that no matter what board you start with... if you are new to multirotor r/c flying... you will smash it up! we all do! :) |
11:14am 08/09/13 Permalink
i got that with some kk2.0 boards. especially if i didn't power them up while sitting level. re-doing the acc calibration fixed itYeah no dice. I've had a brief look into it and it looks like it's broken a accelerometre. |
07:13pm 08/09/13 Permalink
So demon, in your opinion are there any better boards than the cc3d? I was looking at some of the Taulabs stuff and wondering about that. Also the Naze 32 is good too. naze32 is a better quality version of multiwii. runs multiwii ported to stm32. some guy has also ported cc3d fw to it, and at once stage timecop ported TL fw to it but it isn't actively being maintained. it is the same cpu as a cc3d, which means it is pretty much at the limit of its abilities. if you want to do GPS fencing, back to home, GPS route plotting, you need a OP revo or a TL sparky/quanton. Revos are only if you got in the KS, Sparky can be picked up for around 85$US if you ask nicely in #taulabs on freenode, and quanton can be bought online in EU but are pretty exy. http://www.quantec-networks.de/shop/en/quanton/1/quanton-flight-control-rev.-1 all the TL/OP boards use GCS, a gui software program for win/mac/linux that makes setting up your quad super easy. starting out, i would get a CC3D. you can fly that in attitude or rate mode with the flip of a switch on your transmitter. if you want to play with GPS stuff later, get a sparky/quanton. |
01:51am 09/09/13 Permalink
Less talk more RC imagery noobs.
Finally completed my c***pit in a view I like, wing roots just in view and pilot limbs. Next stage is making pilot limbs move with control surface movement. Just need to get some pushrods to be able to do it none spare. So I ended up crashing into a tree (wingtip) on landing today thanks to a forced landing from low battery but that's another story. --The Bay and Redcliffe + the hornibrook bridge viewable to the right. http://s14.postimg.org/bb7wpwc3z/Freesolo_bay.jpg -- Lake Kurongbah http://s21.postimg.org/ivauugrbp/Freesolo_Kurwongbah.jpg -- Lake Samsonvale http://s14.postimg.org/gcjw508y7/Freesolo_Wing_Lake.jpg |
12:31pm 09/09/13 Permalink
What happens methz if something goes wrong and you lose all connection/control when you are flying over a populated area and that thing just drops?
Surely it will happen eventually that someones FPV quad/plane fails and falls several hundred meters and nails someone in the head. |
12:45pm 09/09/13 Permalink
Those altitude shots the plane is up there for about 3 minutes max. (actually by video accounts, by the time its at that altitude is about 60seconds), and a round trip of no more than 3 minutes.
The area is very quiet. Most directions where I fly is parkland and/or cattle-area. It's a fixed wing, they don't just drop out of the sky. It will glide to the ground travelling probably no more than 20 kph. Law of aerodynamics also dictates it will not crash at high speed. As it picks up speed wings will generate lift and pitch the nose up, thus arresting its descent rate. Now if it failed during a maneuvre and control surface locked up it may plummet, but again its hundreds of meters (from where the plane is it may not look like it but those houses are nearly 500-600m laterally from the plane - it's glide ratio would probably barely get it there). As for normal flying i.e. 99% of the flight where we chase each other around at say 400ft/100m altitude max, if something went wrong it would barely get out of the park. Not a chance of reaching any house or road. I'm also not sure how heavy you think they are, but they aren't 10kg models. 2Kg of compressible foam travelling at about an estimated stall speed of 20-25kph (where it will naturally glide),. Yeah, it's not killing anybody anytime soon. Plastic propellors. A quad copter would fall like a brick if something went wrong, but have the advantage of not falling far laterally. I'd bet on winning lotto over killing someone. (there was recently an RC helicopter that killed its pilot, but it was a massive helicopter with fibreglass blades and the guy was a tool. He would kill the throttle with the helicopter inverted then take off inches above his head. He literally misjudged it and scalped himself) |
01:26pm 09/09/13 Permalink
Brisbane CBD this morning, floating in the fog in the distance.
http://s23.postimg.org/qi2rcqhkp/CBD_why_so_Foggy.jpg |
10:30am 15/09/13 Permalink
Great image Mephz. Is that Warner below you there?
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11:12am 15/09/13 Permalink
Bray Park technically. Warner is just under the nose/prop.
Image taken from technically well into Petrie. Just altitude makes everything seem closer laterally than it is. Can see eatons hills from here. Just a smidge above nose line and to the left (the white water tower in the distance is just west of Eatons Hill pub). Altitude only approximately 400ft. - The houses in view are over 600m as the crow flies from the camera. The CBD is over 20km as the crow flies |
11:20am 15/09/13 Permalink
Dogfighting and simulated hit from forwards perspective and rearward perspective :)
http://s9.postimg.org/6eryk923x/Dogfight_Hit.jpg |
02:26pm 15/09/13 Permalink
You guys really need to be careful doing this really dangerous hobby, or you'll end up like this bloke, who scalped himself by playing with an RC quad copter.
Taking images is fun, but not when your skull gets sheared off. http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/09/06/1226712/976049-roman-pirozek-jr.jpg |
06:07pm 17/09/13 Permalink
What d*** stands near blades spinning at high revolutions/second though?
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06:09pm 17/09/13 Permalink
that bloke ^ was a mad 3d heli pilot! he was known to be a bit of a risk taker from what i have heard but it is suspected that it was a mechanical failure that caused the accident. those nitro powered are deadly whirling 700mm blades of death, ie: totally awesome.
this is that guy ^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRPfLKVMGM8 the copters i play with would just take my skin off. the mini quads would just sting. i still wouldn't want to cop one in the face at full speed. so i avoid that. |
06:26pm 17/09/13 Permalink
Well don't I look the fool now!
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06:31pm 17/09/13 Permalink
demon, got a pic?
which BGC are you using? |
04:26pm 27/09/13 Permalink
hey ara, yep i got a few pics of my early setup.. it's a bit neater wiring now but basically the same.
the controller is the alex mos simple brushless gimbal controller (2-axis only) the mech hardware was designed & 3d printed by a mate locally. it holds my gopro hero3 black. gimbal motors are rctimer motors http://imageshack.us/a/img138/4250/n923.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img716/961/3eeh.jpg |
04:38pm 27/09/13 Permalink
hey ara, yep i got a few pics of my early setup.. it's a bit neater wiring now but basically the same.the controller is the alex mos simple brushless gimbal controller (2-axis only) the mech hardware was designed & 3d printed by a mate locally. it holds my gopro hero3 black. gimbal motors are rctimer motorshttp://imageshack.us/a/img138/4250/n923.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img716/961/3eeh.jpg neato. did you get the alexmos from multiwiicopter? a mate of mine made all those (the boards, not the cases they are in) on consignment. also, you might want to see if you can reconfig your gimbal so the lens of the gopro lines up with the centre axis of your motors. |
04:53pm 27/09/13 Permalink
neato.did you get the alexmos from multiwiicopter? a mate of mine made all those (the boards, not the cases they are in) on consignment.also, you might want to see if you can reconfig your gimbal so the lens of the gopro lines up with the centre axis of your motors. cheers mate! :) i got my control board from flyduino.net. yeah... erm... i put the roll motor mount onto my disco frame upside-down.. that's why the gopro lens doesn't line up with the centre of the copter :( by the time i realised it was all together & working ... i'll fix it next build ;) |
06:28pm 27/09/13 Permalink
yeah wow cool thread its been said but it would of been cool if this stuff was around when i had the time to get into it
one of william gibsons novels had a spy drone quadcopter in it and i have been keen on them ever since |
01:42am 28/09/13 Permalink
nice quad demon, just got 3d printer in the middle of making a buch of bits for my hex :)
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06:56am 28/09/13 Permalink
What's more impressive is they seemed to have landed the rocket!
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08:42am 14/10/13 Permalink
Here's my uncle's video:
http://vimeo.com/76299808 His rig is awesome. Check out how stable the video is! |
10:23am 15/10/13 Permalink
tis a nice smooth gimbal :)
but you lost several cool points saying that a dji phantom is an awesome rig :P haha it probably is an awesome rig, but they have a bit of a bad name in the fpv quadcopter community because anyone with money can get one flying... & because of that you get a lot of dills doing silly things with them.. such as the recent crash into high rise buildings in manhattan. that was a phantom. i believe the recent crash into the sydney harbour bridge was also a dji phantom. |
10:53am 15/10/13 Permalink
Would it make sense to place the lens on the GoPro in the centre of the gimbals axis ? Or does that not make a difference. Thinking about it last night it made sense to have it all centred.
I started designing my gimbal for the 3d printer last night and looks just the same as your one demon. |
01:25pm 15/10/13 Permalink
Would it make sense to place the lens on the GoPro in the centre of the gimbals axis ? Or does that not make a difference. Thinking about it last night it made sense to have it all centred. it definitely makes sense to try & get the gopro lens as close to the centre axis of the roll motor of the gimbal. mine is offset a bit to one side because i have one of the parts around the wrong way :p it doesn't make a huge difference (with roll or tilt) because the gimbal imu levels itself regardless of the quadcopter attitude... but perfectly centred will make any rotation seem like it is centred in the camera. I started designing my gimbal for the 3d printer last night and looks just the same as your one demon. cool! :) one thing we have found with this design is that the 3d printed arm that connects the roll motor to the tilt motor is not rigid enough under heavy throttle or wind buffeting. it bends & then vibrates resulting in some jello in the video. so if you are still designing it you might want to make it a bit more rigid with some support structure. s'funny, but , originally i got into fpv quadcopters for the aerial photography / video & so the brushless gimbal seemed like a must! but now that i have one... i hardly ever use it & prefer to bang around in parks with mini-quads! :p current quad of choice is the blackout cf mini-h quad... it's a screamin' tough little beast :D |
02:14pm 15/10/13 Permalink
tis a nice smooth gimbal :) but you lost several cool points saying that a dji phantom is an awesome rig :P hahait probably is an awesome rig, but they have a bit of a bad name in the fpv quadcopter community because anyone with money can get one flying... & because of that you get a lot of dills doing silly things with them.. such as the recent crash into high rise buildings in manhattan. that was a phantom. i believe the recent crash into the sydney harbour bridge was also a dji phantom.Orly, heh. He is going to use his for commercial video work so I think ease of use, stability etc were more important than price. I think he's pretty happy with it from that side though. He won't be doing any mad bush bashing like you! |
02:40pm 15/10/13 Permalink
Haha they sound mad, like there's a back of 4cyl rally cars behind it.
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02:46pm 15/10/13 Permalink
trog : commercial use eh!? interesting! a lot of guys i know are waiting on the casa announcement on the commercial use of uavs in australia. i really hope they decide to let everyone have a go & not restrict it to pilot license holders.
the video artifacts are from youtube (blurtube) compression. the output mov from the video camera doesn't have an of it :( it's recording high def footage with a mobius action camera. not awesome image quality but it is very small & light. in this pic you can see the mobius mounted on top with anti-vibration bobbins (the blue things) to take some jello out of the video... these mini quads vibrate a lot. under the mobius is a ccd camera that i use to fpv fly with. http://imageshack.us/a/img209/5841/4l7e.jpg ph33x : yep the minis sound mad :) really high rpm motors with tiny props... they freakin scream :) |
03:06pm 15/10/13 Permalink
I'd be very surprised if CASA approve unlicensed people making money from this. I reckon the best you could hope for is they will allow it up to 500ft over private property or where you have permission from the property owner, still below 500ft. |
03:15pm 15/10/13 Permalink
viper : it's the commercial bit of the law that is set to change soon. there are already rules in place that govern where & how high we can fly our quads.
at the moment it is illegal for anyone to be paid for uav use. it's just the old timers trying to maintain the status quo. light aircraft pilots will lose a lot of aerial footage business when it can be done a lot cheaper by a uav pilot & so they are lobbying casa to make is so only people licensed to fly real aircraft can commercially pilot a uav... which is pretty dumb imo. there are rumours afloat though that australia is going to go for a >2kg doesn't require a full pilots license.. it will just require a special commercial uav license. which is a lot more sensible. it's very interesting that there is a court case going on atm in the usa where the 'badboy' of global fpv called trappy, has been fined by the faa (usa version of casa) for accepting money to film some aerial footage for a university in america. he was hired by the university to get the footage & did so safely & without incident.. but because he accepted money has been fined us$10k !! he is fighting the fine in court & i really hope he wins the case. |
03:34pm 15/10/13 Permalink
I'm just concerned about use in built up areas. Sure it sounds ok now when there will be 10 flying around. But think about it, once you look out your windows to always see a UAV, there'd have to be many failures and injuries.
If bad weather hits and they lose their location, what happens? If a servo/controller/motor fails, can it still fly or will it end up in my face? Not against these things personally though, they look f*****g awesome and lots of fun. I have a 5th scale Baja myself, with a 30.5 ESP motor form the US in it, poured tons of money into it when I should have bought a UAV : |
03:45pm 15/10/13 Permalink
yup, there is definitely need for some concern. if everyone had a self-built uav there would not only be a lot of electrical / mechanical failures that would cause a crash, but there would also be a lot of signal saturation (both control & video) that would also likely result in a crash. loss of gps signal would also be bad for some controllers.. where other controllers would handle it ok. some multirotors have redundant systems so that there can be a failure & it will keep flying... like x8 octocopters.. but they are pretty rare. even then, a 2nd failure will likely result in a crash.
personally, i don't fly anywhere i am not willing to walk or climb to go pick up the broken pieces. :) i never fly in dense suburbia & stick to parks where if my quad did come down it's unlikely to damage property or people. i don't even fly over water (much) coz i'm too scared it will choose that time to fail. r/c cars are great fun too.. especially with fpv.. it's all about the fpv :D |
04:00pm 15/10/13 Permalink
viper : it's the commercial bit of the law that is set to change soon. there are already rules in place that govern where & how high we can fly our quads. yeah I have no idea what the rules are for flying RC machines, I come from the other end, flying planes. If you are going to be making money, I think its fair that you have to be licenced. Also, if you are going to be flying above 500ft, you would have to have some sort of radio endoresement, can't have UAV's just crusing around unannounced in CTAF area's, thats just dangerous. Also, I can't see them ever be allowed in controlled airspace, CASA won't allow RA-Aus pilots who don't also have a PPL into controlled airspace. In short, I think if you are below 500ft and have some sort of licence, they should allow commercial UAV use. last edited by `ViPER` at 16:17:05 15/Oct/13 |
04:14pm 15/10/13 Permalink
some articles on this subject of late.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-01/drones-set-for-large-scale-commercial-take-off/4546556 http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/drones-at-a-crossroads/ http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mystery-drone-collides-with-sydney-harbour-bridge-20131004-2uzks.html i think flying in populated areas is pretty dumb, these things fall out of the sky sometimes, no matter how careful you are. |
08:40pm 15/10/13 Permalink
So I went down to a hobby shop today to have a look at some quadcopters, I've been thinking bout doing a hobby build of one and they have pissy little kiddy ones for cheap and the guy in the shop recommended it as a good starter to learn controls and stuff before jumping into one that could potentially cost more if i was willing to put the cash in. Are they really that hard to learn that I need training wheels on or is it a decent learning curve that I can ride the big bike right away.
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06:15pm 18/10/13 Permalink
Its not hard, get a good one not a pissy kids ones for cheap.
You'll learn quicker. |
06:30pm 18/10/13 Permalink
if you have never flown an r/c aircraft before the learning curve is pretty steep & you will probably crash many times & break a lot of parts.
the small cheap quadcopters have the advantage that they are so light they will resist the damage for a while, especially if you crash on softer surfaces like grass. the disadvantage is they might not be so easy to get parts for & fix. i wouldn't advise getting an expensive rig for your first r/c aircraft.. unless you are wealthy n want to :) i wouldn't bother with local hobby shops though.. research n order online. |
08:59pm 18/10/13 Permalink
i agree with demon.
you can put a decent one together yourself for around 300$ or so and the big advantage is you fix it when you crash it, and you will crash it. the preassembled plastic ones are hard to source parts for, if you can get parts at all and in most cases have completely different flight characteristics to a decent quad copter. some of the ones i see have no roll, just yaw/pitch/throttle. QGL Quadcopter This hasn't been updated for a while so not sure how accurate it is anymore. |
11:38am 19/10/13 Permalink
the worst bit about r/c scale hobby is when you have a crash and you fix it back up you're worried about crashing it again so you just don't take it out for a fly and it just sit's there on the shelf collecting dust
or maybe that's just me |
11:46am 20/10/13 Permalink
the worst bit about r/c scale hobby is when you have a crash and you fix it back up you're worried about crashing it again so you just don't take it out for a fly and it just sit's there on the shelf collecting dustDefinitely just you. I recently half wrote off my big hurricane. 7/8th of the way through rebuilding it, can't wait to fly it again to see how well my repairs went. Fixed things a lot of people would write off and they fly fine. If anything the more you crash it and repair it the better you generally get with it because the less 'perfect' it is and thus the less concerned you are about breaking it. Being too concerned and too nervous with them causes far more crashes than random blunders. Haven't crashed my jet yet. Taken a very small bit of foam out of the tail boom but that was just due to a stick chomping out a little bit on landing. The hurricane is a huge handful to land, incorrect use or amount of throttle will lead to a crash. Requires some real skill so it's always a thrill to land :P |
05:46pm 20/10/13 Permalink
cool!
embed mite not be working: ghost at halloween here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=869_1382508212 |
08:35am 24/10/13 Permalink
Do these typically come with blowout diagrams of all the parts and assemblies?
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08:56am 24/10/13 Permalink
I thought these might belong in here. Not sure what the second one is though.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=869_1382508212 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8D2QZ9lA4 |
12:51am 25/10/13 Permalink
ph33x, you don't really need them. There are plenty of quadcopter forums filled with quality information (and not so quality, <3 internet).
The components are fairly straightforward and really you're probably not going to design and build a better flight controller than what is already available for a good price. I mean you might be able to, but it wouldn't be worth your time or money. |
08:35am 25/10/13 Permalink
beat you to it taipan :) S*** i went back three pages looking and didnt spot anything. :-( |
10:41am 25/10/13 Permalink
