I think this will put another nail in the PC gaming industry and video card/cpu sales will drop off... after all if the port is done correctly even a GTX260 is enough at console resolutions.

Wow, so many anti-console fanboys coming out of the woodwork to post in this thread.

Thats relative, you can make your vid card last as long as you like by only playing games of similar vintage.

Bulls***.
That used to be the case, it no longer is.

Yes PC's can do more then consoles, but we need to come to terms with the fact that not everyone can spend a heap of money, so they turn to consoles.

you can make your vid card last as long as you like by ONLY playing games of similar vintage.

Consoles are a great market for the game industry. But what developers need to realise is that when making cross-platform, you shouldn't simply focus on making just a console version, and then editing the game with a few PC tweaks. That leads to consolisation of games, where one side is lacking more then the other. I'm an advocate for all platforms, so don't think I'm just a PC fanboy.

I dunno, for me its nothing to do with money, its about the different gaming experiences they offer. I have a s*** hot PC, and I play games on my PC, and I'll be playing BF3 on PC for sure, but I love my consoles too because they let me veg out on the lounge and relax with some gaming instead of sitting in my chair at my computer desk for the more "serious" type of gaming my PC offers. Both are great, just different.

Wow, so many anti-console fanboys coming out of the woodwork to post in this thread. While they're still cranking out games as awesome looking (and awesome playing I would assume, based on previous iterations) as Uncharted 3, or Gears of War 3 I have no gripes with the current generation of consoles. Yeah, Battlefield 3 does look sexy, but its not like I'd be playing that on console anyway, so its win-win.

Love it he loses an argument in logic so he resorts to "bulls***" as a response, thanks EORL for explaining it to him in detail.

I dunno, for me its nothing to do with money, its about the different gaming experiences they offer. I have a s*** hot PC, and I play games on my PC, and I'll be playing BF3 on PC for sure, but I love my consoles too because they let me veg out on the lounge and relax with some gaming instead of sitting in my chair at my computer desk for the more "serious" type of gaming my PC offers. Both are great, just different.

PCs give the user the option to lower detail and play newer games

that's the bulls***. We're on the same team Eorl.

I know the PS2 broke a full 10 years, but that was with some cross-over with the ps3

Weren't games still being made for the N64 and Dreamcast in the last 5 years?

What a joke, so we PC players will have to put up with subpar graphics and game ports for another 2.5 years or more? I think this will put another nail in the PC gaming industry and video card/cpu sales will drop off... after all if the port is done correctly even a GTX260 is enough at console resolutions.Was really hoping for new console in 2012 at LATEST as this would mean better graphics and games which would push the PC a lot more (as console can run better graphics with the same GPU as there is no OS to load them down)

Lol. Consoles. Press A to win.

i hope that console makers push the limits of consoles to make them more like central entertainment/communication hubs

Bulls***.
That used to be the case, it no longer is.

the opposite is usually true , Final Fantasy games are a testament to this

Personally speaking, the only thing i'd play on PC is FPS and to a lesser extent strategy games

Personally speaking, the only thing i'd play on PC is FPS and to a lesser extent strategy games

'It's funny,' says AMD's worldwide developer relations manager of its GPU division, Richard Huddy. 'We often have at least ten times as much horsepower as an Xbox 360 or a PS3 in a high-end graphics card, yet it's very clear that the games don't look ten times as good. To a significant extent, that's because, one way or another, for good reasons and bad - mostly good, DirectX is getting in the way.' Huddy says that one of the most common requests he gets from game developers is: 'Make the API go away.'

On consoles, you can draw maybe 10,000 or 20,000 chunks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30-60fps. On a PC, you can't typically draw more than 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quite surprising - the PC can actually show you only a tenth of the performance if you need a separate batch for each draw call.

F*** no, im the complete opposite. PC for everything here. I enjoy arcade racing games using keyboard and i have a crappy logitech PS2 style controller for sports games and street fighter. My only regret in not having a console is missing out on certain console-only games but i cant justify the price of a console for only a few titles considering i have a tonne of cheap steam games and my collection keeps getting bigger from all their awesome sales.

for your types it's a case of adapt or die really, consoles aren't going anywhere and they're only going to get bigger

for your types it's a case of adapt or die really, consoles aren't going anywhere and they're only going to get bigger

Consoles and desktop computers have shared the gaming space since the c64 and Atari 2600 were king. This isn't going to change, and neither are the ancient console vs PC wars.

See I'm not so sure about that. We certainly still see plenty of ports at the moment but that's because gaming between PC's and consoles are compatible for the majority of titles. In 3 years from now will we be able to say the same with current motion controls having matured and the next generation likely coming out with something more refined?

3 years is a long time in technology terms, the next-gen consoles are going to be 3D in all likelihood, with motion controls straight off the bat. There is even the possibility that they will incorporate other features like AR and voice control/recognition. To think that they will be driven in any way simply by the need for a graphics update and that gaming between PC's and consoles will remain compatible is short sighted.

F*** no, im the complete opposite. PC for everything here. I enjoy arcade racing games using keyboard and i have a crappy logitech PS2 style controller for sports games and street fighter. My only regret in not having a console is missing out on certain console-only games but i cant justify the price of a console for only a few titles considering i have a tonne of cheap steam games and my collection keeps getting bigger from all their awesome sales.

I think its a long, long bow to draw to say that because consoles are going in a certain direction that it will mean anything for PC. I'll see you in 3 years and I am very comfy asserting that PC gaming and consoles will both still be first-class gaming platforms offering their own distinct experience.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't some pro console, anti-PC rant, I love all flavours of gaming and they'll have to pry my mouse and my controller from my cold dead hands. I don't think PC gaming is dying, I just don't think its growing either.

Really? Have you got a source for that? I'm not doubting you, I just find that pretty interesting, I wouldn't have thought it would grow that much.

Edit: Never mind, I found it, thats interesting. Its just going by software sales though, and attributes the growth to digital distribution which makes sense, I buy a lot more games now on Steam than I probably would if I had to go into stores and buy them. I wonder if those figures include things like facebook games, cos I bet those are raking in the cash.

I'd be interested to see some stats on the install base for PC gaming, but I guess that would be hard to do, its not like with a console where you can just find out how many have been sold. Cos I still think even if revenue is increasing, the number of people playing probably isn't, but thats just my gut feeling, and I could be totally wrong.

Yeah it's very interesting to see how big it is compared to console market. And with Steam being a good 60-70% margin, it's just crazy cool.

We should probably thank steam for once being a steaming pile of crap and then somewhere suddenly becoming my favourite friend. If steam was a woman, i'd get things a bit steamy.