Post by Steve Farrelly @ 12:45pm 07/12/10 | 93 Comments
Actually, Amos took the game for a proverbial spin to see if all that development time, all the delays and all the promises have come through and ultimately, if it's worth the investment. Obviously there's a lot on offer here, so there's bound to be something for everyone, but on the whole, GT5 may not be the Triple A offering a lot of people hoped.
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Posted 01:00pm 07/12/10
last edited by Resonate at 13:00:48 07/Dec/10
Posted 01:14pm 07/12/10
So in other words the AI is the same as every other GT
Posted 01:43pm 07/12/10
Posted 02:25pm 07/12/10
Nice.
Posted 02:50pm 07/12/10
its fun
damage and ai could have been better, along with some of the car models and wtf is up with the paper spectators still? i mean did they just copy and past that s*** from gt4 or what!
anyone seen the endurance races you get towards the end?
think there is a 4hr one and a few 24hr ones.
Posted 02:54pm 07/12/10
Posted 02:58pm 07/12/10
apparently you cant stop and save it and come back to it later.
You have to pit and change tires etc aswell at certain times. Sounds like a f***** waste of time.
imagine the rage if you did the 24hrs and spun out on the last lap and lost
Posted 03:08pm 07/12/10
you'd just have to pause the game when you want to go bed
Posted 07:48pm 07/12/10
Posted 07:51pm 07/12/10
Posted 07:54pm 07/12/10
Posted 08:03pm 07/12/10
Hasn't forza 3 been out for a few years now? Sure they're the two competing driving sims but forza3 hardly has fresh oil on the dipstick. Might have been worth a compare had they both been released at the time but.
Dunno if ps3's suffer the same but if you left ps2's on pause for too long apparently they melted the laser because on pause it never spins the disc down or turns off power to the laser. I've seen the melted laser but not exactly sure if that was the cause so take that with a shovel full of salt.
last edited by Whoop at 20:03:33 07/Dec/10
Posted 08:05pm 07/12/10
Posted 07:21am 08/12/10
That's GT5 in a nutshell for me. Sony needs to move development of game play, menu interfaces and testing to a european development team and let the japs just do the driving mechanics and car models. There are so many simple moronic design decisions that stop a good game from being great.
Posted 08:24am 08/12/10
Posted 08:53am 08/12/10
- no fast forward/rewind control in reply mode (lol)
- 200 decent looking cars, 800 s*** ones
- terrible AI
- only enough content to last till when you hit about level 20 before you get to start repeating races again
Posted 02:38pm 08/12/10
Still I love cars, I love racing and it's still the best driving sim available.
Posted 02:48pm 08/12/10
Benchmark for all racing/driving games on any console.
Posted 02:51pm 08/12/10
Denial ain't just a river in egypt fellas
Posted 03:04pm 08/12/10
Forza is good but not as good of a sim as gt. Its only better if you want to add aftermarket body kits to already exotic cars. However i have to concede that the xbox controller with the triggers gives better throttle and brake feel than the ps3 controller.
Posted 03:13pm 08/12/10
And how exactly is gt5 a better sim exactly? It's got shoddy ai so realistic racing is pretty much impossible, and customisation is kinda gimped in that you can't upgrade brakes on cars and you also can't alter individual gear ratios, just the final drive.
Posted 03:28pm 08/12/10
Posted 03:30pm 08/12/10
Posted 06:33pm 08/12/10
handling (for me) is the most important part of any driving simulation
more important than how pretty it looks, what mods you can do, what cars you can drive.
other things are important, but it all comes down to handling
thats why i like dirt :)
Posted 08:40pm 08/12/10
Stupidity in the game is reared in things like this..
Winning a car
- pop up message from the game telling you won a car
- you then click on go to your car tickets section
- you select the ticket
- games asks you if you want to use the ticket to get your free car
- you say yes and redeem your car.
- game then shows some stupid cut scene thing of your car driving in and telling you that you now have blah blah car.
- you then have to decide whether you want to use the car now or not.
I MEAN WTF? How about at the end of the challenge "you won XX car - use now/go to garage/continue". MORONS.
Paint
You can't choose colour options when you buy a car. You have to win a car first (lets say its purple) you can then spray a car purple if you want.
Cars
- 200 premium cars. Yet most of the game either requires or you benefit from buying from the used car dealership (non-premium cars) so many of your cars are non premium.
- There are some really s*** premium cars that could be non-premium cars and we wouldn't care too much, meanwhile things like the Veyron are non-premium - wtf?
Tuning
- Stock brakes through the whole game? wtf?
Online
- Can't level up racing online
- Leaderboards?? community??
- I tried to find a race when I started playing the game. I hopped in to the lobby and all the games looked pretty much the same besides different tracks. I join a race on laguna seca in my fkn civic while an F40 and McLaren F1 basically do donuts around me. /leave
S*** that doesn't matter
- NASCAR.. was this an afterthought? I mean its fun but if I had to cut something to get this game out at a decent level I would start with this.
- Rally.. still yet to give a s*** about rally in GT.
- B-Spec.. I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THE COMPUTER DRIVE THIS IS NOT FUN.
Sound
Cars still sound like vaccuum cleaners though there are some that have been improved. Overall really lacking behind the standard of modern racers.
Things that get sucky quick
- damage. Its crap and why does it only become a factor at later stages? I don't want training wheels.
- AI. So far from what I've seen LITERALLY HAS NOT CHANGED since GT on psx. You're either coming last eating their dust or you are driving miss daisy half a lap in front. They break stupid as well.
- Used car lot. It's random. Sometimes you need a certain type of car to do a certain challenge but there'll be nothing available. For ages. So you go grind for a bit.
- Settings. Literally every bloody race I have to turn the assists off. Why can't I set this as default in the game options? Also why can't I display my speed in KPH?
- Top Gear test track. Why can't I do a standing start like the stig on the show?
If this game were a gift it'd be like getting a pink Ferrari for your birthday. Cool a Ferrari but WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PINK??? WHOS DECISION WAS THIS?? IDIOTTSS. That's GT5.
I expect GT6 will be amazing and Sony will manage Polyphony more closely because they really f***ed this up.
Posted 08:56pm 08/12/10
Posted 09:06pm 08/12/10
Posted 09:13pm 08/12/10
but you don't run on stock brakes, they upgrade as the car gets faster
because you'd be f***ed otherwise
Posted 09:17pm 08/12/10
Posted 09:50pm 08/12/10
Its very obvious the game hasn't been play tested at all besides the driving component.
Posted 09:53pm 08/12/10
Posted 08:39am 09/12/10
about the brakes, the only real reason for upgrading is HEAT
(yes if you upgrade brakes before youv managed to overheat your current setup you have wasted your money, im guilty of this)
so they havnt modelled brake heat in the game, so upgrading is kindof moot.
brake feel is gumby in the fact that you cannot change the pedal 'sensitivity' to match you real life road car like i can in every other PC sim out there.
so gt5 fails again
Posted 10:36am 09/12/10
Posted 10:38am 09/12/10
I'm using KPH, I dunno where I changed that setting
Posted 11:54am 09/12/10
Posted 12:09pm 09/12/10
Posted 12:20pm 09/12/10
all the long-winded useless menus that you have to use to get anywhere.
Posted 12:32pm 09/12/10
The AI is frustrating. In some of the Specials you can get disqualified for colliding with another car if you hit them hard enough, but the robots on the track can ram your arse for a whole lap, with no consequences.
Posted 12:40pm 09/12/10
I have all gold on everything except that last race and you have to fight tooth and nail just to get around the track, let alone without hitting them
Posted 12:41pm 09/12/10
Word around the campfire is that mechanical damage is out because the ai is so bad as to make it unworkable. Cool game guys! I'd be feeling pretty awesome if I paid $300 for it. What is it they say about suckers and their money again?
Posted 12:49pm 09/12/10
i blew 300 hunje on it and still have money to buy your mum a nice kfc dinner after I'm through with her
I stole her wet wipes to clean up afterwards
my son does love the little toy car that came with it too, extra bonus
Posted 01:02pm 09/12/10
Posted 01:04pm 09/12/10
I was being hard, but only with your mum
Posted 01:08pm 09/12/10
Posted 01:21pm 09/12/10
i got extra cars, entry into the draw for the real mercedes, usb stick, leather wallet, gt5 keychain, coffee table book, book on all the cars etc
I'd hate to be poor, your life sounds gay
Posted 01:26pm 09/12/10
and it's still not as bad as dirt lol
Posted 02:20pm 09/12/10
No, it's just funny to see people suckered out of money, and even funnier watching them try to defend it once it becomes obvious they've been suckered out of their money.
Posted 02:34pm 09/12/10
Paint: WTF were they thinking to implement a paint system like this?
Winning a car: Agreed, way to drawn out.
AI: can't drive, hell, even in B spec my guy kept on spinning out in my rear wheel drive car.
the other 2 aren't a big deal but IMO they really need to fix the AI,
Didn't notice any problems in the sound department? I like how the tone of the exhaust changes when you change the exhaust over.
Posted 02:47pm 09/12/10
i love driving the hpa r32 from winning gold in the tuner championship. So much fun.
the audi rs6 is pretty fun aswell once you do it up to (900+hp) and get rid of all the weight.
Posted 03:01pm 09/12/10
Posted 03:15pm 09/12/10
that or pig dog has to be the best way to descirbe some ppls misses hahahahahahhaa
Posted 03:52pm 09/12/10
Posted 09:35am 10/12/10
Posted 09:38am 10/12/10
Posted 09:41am 10/12/10
Posted 10:01am 10/12/10
Posted 10:04am 10/12/10
Posted 10:12am 10/12/10
Posted 12:19pm 10/12/10
at some point do you win access to be able to drive the top gear test track in whatever car you want?
Posted 01:08pm 10/12/10
but with realistic physics
Posted 01:16pm 10/12/10
really though, other than bouncing off the walls, afaik the physics in rfactor and the physics in GT5 are almost identical.
I haven't really gotten very far in the "special events", but i would imagine the track becomes available when you finish all the top gear test track special events?
last edited by myWhiteWolf at 13:16:43 10/Dec/10
Posted 01:16pm 10/12/10
Posted 02:21pm 10/12/10
ah yeah that would make sense, looks like that's my new mission
done the kombi van one, the lotus one is f*****g gay
last edited by paveway at 14:21:50 10/Dec/10
Posted 04:13pm 10/12/10
Watch it, Mario Kart 64 has the best drifting physics ever, you telling me your car DOESNT get a turbo boost then your come off drift?
Posted 04:29pm 10/12/10
And no pavedude, but at least they start to underperform a bit.
Posted 04:58pm 10/12/10
the lotus is very tricky due to the MR layout, and the incorrect steering sensitivty in GT5
Posted 05:04pm 10/12/10
Posted 10:45am 12/12/10
Driving is perfect, but I think GT4 had it pretty much nailed anyway, GT5 is a minor improvement on this.
AI is in my opinion average to poor (better than GT4, which was just poor). The AI copes fine when the track is not at all crowded, and allows the inside line if youre on it, but when there are cars everywhere, they go bats***.
The other problems that have been outlined in this thread are basically nothing. The menus are fine. The damage is better than any other gt game and the premium cars are a significant upgrade to gt4, considering the time it takes to properly model the interiors of the cars, i dont see how it could be marked down for not modelling all 1000 cars.
Posted 11:17am 12/12/10
Compare GT5 to today standards of race sims....it fails, HARD.
"Hey guys have new game, it's the old s*** with better graphics. I care not cause I made a bucket developing the R35 hur hur"
WTB progressive tyre grip and the seesaw action is seriously over done.
Top Gear test track using the Lotus can only be done when on 2-3 Valiums while listening to Diana Krall. Other wise you get a snapped steering wheel and a PS3 console "inserted" into a LED TV.
Posted 11:21am 12/12/10
And yeah I guess it is a bit much to expect for 1000 cars to be accurately modeled (forza 3 had 400 and is up to about 500 fully modeled cars with DLC btw). But instead of having 1000 cars and a lot of them being s*** and not worth driving, why not cut it down to a smaller number (around the 500 mark) but have all cars accurately modeled outside and inside? The reason they didn't is so they could say 'look guys! 1000 cars!' and gullible f**** would hand over $100 (or for the super gullible $300) for the game.
last edited by fpot at 11:21:25 12/Dec/10
Posted 11:23am 12/12/10
no1 is going to be buying a yaris to do up and drive around in u noobs
Posted 03:05pm 12/12/10
Posted 03:36pm 12/12/10
Fully customisable transmission is for sale in the tuning shop. I assume that it is actually fully customisable?
Posted 07:41pm 12/12/10
LOL.
As Eddie would say "It's just so ridiculous"
Posted 08:18pm 12/12/10
yes the game lacks basic features that even prologue had.
example - in time trial, every lap you did was uploaded to the server and you were given a global ranking in real time. this doesnt exist with the full version wtf.
and in online races, theres no lap timing at all recorded (only the total race time), so no one has any idea of what kind of lap pace they had compared to the winners
and in the 'warmup' theres no listing of peoples lap times, only the current pole lap. fail
last edited by scooby at 20:18:32 12/Dec/10
Posted 08:06pm 12/12/10
Posted 08:25pm 12/12/10
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last edited by scooby at 20:25:11 12/Dec/10
Posted 09:11pm 12/12/10
pave's just jealous he can't cut a sub 60 pass on Sprint circuit @ QR. :p
with or without gloves.
Posted 09:20pm 12/12/10
so jealous
Posted 10:46pm 12/12/10
Posted 03:00pm 13/12/10
This is only going by what I've read though. Can someone confirm/deny it?
And paveway watching you defend such blatant missing features that really seem like a basic requirement to me seems pretty pathetic. I mean come on not being able to compare lap times?
Posted 03:06pm 13/12/10
Posted 03:07pm 13/12/10
Posted 03:21pm 13/12/10
and it carries on to driving games, as his post below my sarcastic ones implies about 'having to be the fastest' lol
the driving gloves comes from an in car video of a lap at qr and he has like gardening or work gloves on or something - fully pro
last edited by paveway at 15:21:26 13/Dec/10
Posted 03:22pm 13/12/10
Posted 03:23pm 13/12/10
Carry on :)
Posted 07:47pm 13/12/10