If you buy this you're part of the problem.

If you buy this you're part of the problem.

mmm I disagree. I think console gamers are fine to buy DLC. They don't know any better.

I like the BC2 model where console gamers have to pay for it and PC gamers get it for free.

I like the BC2 model where console gamers have to pay for it and PC gamers get it for free.

I'm not sure why console users should subsidise other platforms here - isn't it just stroking a sense of entitlement in PC gamers?

If the pack is worth money then it should be a comparable price on all platforms, though in this case the pack doesn't look worth what they're charging for it. I know there's some XBLM shenanigans that goes on with Microsoft Points behind the scenes too.

Cross platform FPS wouldn't be fair PC players have too much advantage with a mouse/kb.

I actually was speaking to a mate and he said he'd beat me at an FPS game him using his ps3 controller and me using a mouse/kb. I didn't think anybody actually thought that.

PC is what made these games big?? Dude your living in the past, quit living in the past. Your hung up on PC gaming from the 90s man.Seriously, when you have a console hooked up to 50inch TV in your living room with surround sound system where you just sit down and press play, well youll ditch that PC faster than you can say 'thats f*****g awesome'.PC gaming is DEAD get over it. Dont be an old grandpa about it.

Now that quite presumptuous assuming that all console gamers are idiots.

ohhh pinky you misspelled console, might want to look into that if you're going to do the old spelling comeback.So again us 'console' gamers are the only ones buying the way expensive computers and then whinging about it hahaha. PCs are more expensive, its fact. Just cause you can go down to your local umart doesnt make you some sort of genius.I dont even have to argue these points, the FACTS speak for themselves. But hey theres always a dusty old place in the corner of every game store where PC gamers can hang out. May even be a rocking chair there.

ohhh pinky you misspelled console, might want to look into that if you're going to do the old spelling comeback.So again us 'console' gamers are the only ones buying the way expensive computers and then whinging about it hahaha. PCs are more expensive, its fact. Just cause you can go down to your local umart doesnt make you some sort of genius.I dont even have to argue these points, the FACTS speak for themselves. But hey theres always a dusty old place in the corner of every game store where PC gamers can hang out. May even be a rocking chair there.

I'm not disagreeing with most of your points; I'm not arguing that consoles or PCs are 'better' for gaming (though I certainly have my opinion). I think that argument is futile because both systems are great for gaming in their own respective way.

In fact I'd encourage you to ignore the PC trolls who just like exerting their superiority over console brethren when they start up on that s*** (me included).

But I really, sincerely believe that console gamers just don't know what it was like "in the old days" of the PC with games like Quake, CoD, MOH, etc. Those games were released in such a way that the community was encouraged to create free content. It spawned entirely new content that everyone could get for free, that increased the value of the game. In some cases the derivative products created were even more popular than the original game (Counter-Strike, Desert Combat, Team Fortress) and went on to spawn entirely new games and brands all of their own.

So yes, PC is what made these games big. And now instead of getting nice, open, moddable, scalable games, we get these limited games, with no development tools or open server models, and now they're trying to charge us $9.95 for a 2 map pack or something - when back in the day within weeks of release we would have had a hundred new free maps to choose from.

That is what I miss, and why I said 'console gamers don't know any better'. It wasn't an insult - just a statement of fact; most console gamers are simply ignorant of what it was like back in the day.

It's really sad to me, because it's clear that some of the best games ever made have come out of the hobbyist/modding community. To me it's crystal clear that this is the best option for game developers to pursue - if they're interested in making really great games that people will play for ever.

But that's not what they're interested in any more. They want to s*** out a game, throw it in a box, have you play it for 6 months to a year, all the while paying for more DLC the whole time, and then they want to release version two point oh a year later and make you upgrade.

That is what I miss, and why I said 'console gamers don't know any better'. It wasn't an insult - just a statement of fact; most console gamers are simply ignorant of what it was like back in the day.