Post by Steve Farrelly @ 10:22am 01/02/10 | 78 Comments
"I question whether those features would be enough to get people to buy new machines," he told the Times, continuing with a stab at 3D videogaming. "I have doubts whether people will be wearing glasses to play [3D] games at home. How is that going to look to other people?"
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Posted 10:25am 01/2/10
Wearing 3D glasses is far less stupid looking than the many actions you undertake playing Wii
Posted 10:29am 01/2/10
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Posted 10:53am 01/2/10
The ones I wore to the cinema for Avatar were a lot less spaz than I expected, they could just stick a f*****g Oakley or Billabong logo on them and the sheep would assume they're high fashion.
Posted 11:28am 01/2/10
if you don't like it, don't buy it
the tv in your lounge room is just a big portable music device too but you find some use for it yes?
Posted 11:31am 01/2/10
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Posted 12:09pm 01/2/10
I can 100% understand it though Billy. If it wasn't for Apple's corporate douchebaggery they would have produced several Jesus Devices by now.
Posted 12:10pm 01/2/10
Posted 12:11pm 01/2/10
I can knock you up one if you need.
Posted 12:18pm 01/2/10
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Posted 12:36pm 01/2/10
If it has silly limitations, drawbacks and things that just aren't-quite-right then I don't think it qualifies. I recently got a new phone as one of our business contracts rolled over last week. Despite these reservations, I got an iPhone 3GS rather than anything else because I like it, and the Chef got the 3G I had.
However, I researched and played with other items. I wanted to find a better phone because of the things that s*** me about the Apple product. So I don't think its a Jebus Phone for me, just the best that there is at the moment.
Posted 12:46pm 01/2/10
Well, maybe Jesus phone. Not that it's a mindblowing all encompassing device, but it had a profound effect on the entire smartphone industry, who had all been at it for many years before Apple, with one model, blew everything out of the water, despite how much stuff it 'couldn't do'.
Posted 01:18pm 01/2/10
Posted 01:24pm 01/2/10
It'd be more just having it handy to control the XBMC, look up TV Guide, casual
Posted 01:36pm 01/2/10
because I'd like to be able to run my GPS app while listening to music and then when a call comes in, have it keep running while I take the call
so as soon as I hang up, my song starts and my gps comes back ..
Posted 01:38pm 01/2/10
Let me tell you how I use my computer. I have a web browser, an email client, and an IRC client running. As I am working, I will open and close Remote Desktop and SSH windows, perhaps referring to or replying to websites, IRC chatter, or emails as I go. Occasionally I will open another program, like an image viewer or a diagram creation program.
I can (and do) do this stuff on my netbook while I am travelling. You might say big deal, you do that all the time on your computer too.
The iPad is not the device we all wanted it to be - its not even what we consider to be a computer at all. And that's why everyone is so negative about it.
Posted 02:09pm 01/2/10
it does EXACTLY that...The fact that your music stops when you open your gps app is a limitation of the app, theres plenty of apps that let you listen to your own music in the background. Thats what I mean about background tasks its not like it doesn't do ANY. I would say maps+phone+music+fetching email pretty useful
Posted 02:11pm 01/2/10
You're 100% right though, this is not a computer. Its a ... gateway device (?) ... to perform certain tasks in an accessible and convenient form factor. I absolutely wouldn't use it in place of a netbook, and wouldn't buy it if I wanted a netbook.
But I can totally see myself loading up the picture library and handing it to a visiting relative to flick through, without needing to learn to use the device at all. A rich, appealing full-screen XBMC remote (I'll f*****g write one myself if it doesn't exist yet!). Reading a book or checking QGL on a whim for whatever stupid things someone has posted, without getting up, leaving the lounge room and sitting down at The Machine, or navigating with a mouse on the lounge or using a s***** trackpad.
To me, multitasking implies a strong interface with a computer, a serious-f*****g-business activity that I just don't see myself doing with this thing. It sort of fills the gap between netbook-too-much and iphone-not-enough.
Now that is a serious f*****g slim gap - but I may end up getting one, depending on price - I would own one for the same reason I own a PC gaming machine and a Wii.
last edited by Hogfather at 14:11:57 01/Feb/10
Posted 02:11pm 01/2/10
Posted 02:15pm 01/2/10
I didn't say that other devices couldn't do these things (they can), but it just looks to execute these tasks really well. For some consumers this will make it worth the $.
last edited by Hogfather at 14:15:54 01/Feb/10
Posted 02:18pm 01/2/10
Am I missing something here?
Posted 02:39pm 01/2/10
I could give this to my grandmother with her computer-phobia and macular degeneration and she could check out the photos just fine. A netbook is out of the question.
Its probably not for you - and that's 100% fine. But it fits a need for others, a lot of others, and I can see it being a useful device in my house. I don't need more fully-fledged computers, but I already reach for the iPhone for a bunch of tasks in preference to our netbook. This would pretty much retire the eePC I reckon, aside from doing srs bsns on the road (and I'd take a full laptop for that anyway).
If only it could view xvids without so much f*****g around or conversion, and had Flash for the sites that need it for more than advertisments. That's the f*****g Apple Tax I guess.
last edited by Hogfather at 14:39:39 01/Feb/10
Posted 02:34pm 01/2/10
Posted 02:39pm 01/2/10
Not sure about the GPS app, but my music definitely starts up again from where it left off after I take a call.
Posted 02:43pm 01/2/10
They haven't sold any yet, and there's no guarantee that this will do any better than say, the AppleTV device.
There seems to be a recurring theme amongst those who aren't overly negative about the device - saying that it would be good for "someone else". Its hard to see how a device that no one has stood up and said "I want this" will be spectacularly successful.
Compare this to the iPhone release, which geeks were generally very positive about (including myself). Certainly the Apple faithful will buy a million or two in the first week's of its release, but will it really have broad market appeal? Its still pretty expensive for the casual user.
Posted 02:45pm 01/2/10
Well, people who don't use computers well aren't exactly rampant on forums, are they :)
I've also said that I am considering buying one for me, depending on price. If they hold to their apparent AU target of about 550, I'm probably sold - have seen that in a few different sources now, but we'll see.
Unless I don't count for some reason?
Posted 02:45pm 01/2/10
It's a good point, but I think TechCrunch were right when they said that the only people who are looking at it and criticising it at the moment are mostly technical people.
Posted 02:51pm 01/2/10
I'm talking in general terms.
To me, that's bad news for Apple. Many of their early-adoption customers are tech oriented but simply want excellent hardware and UI design.
How much of the iPhone's success can be attributed due to evangelism from tech consumers? And what happens when we, as a whole, are negative about the iPad?
It will be interesting to see how the iPad is going in the market, 12 months from now.
Posted 02:53pm 01/2/10
I walked in and 10 seconds later walked out because my brain started bleeding :S
"Genius Bar", what type of tards fall for this s***.
Posted 02:59pm 01/2/10
Funny you say this... Most 'tech' people I know dont want to touch an iPhone. Most computer 'n00bs' I know now own an iPhone. I know it's a very small sample size, but I see completly the opposite of what a lot of people say about the iPhone customer base.
Posted 03:01pm 01/2/10
retards
Posted 04:48pm 01/2/10
Posted 04:49pm 01/2/10
The music keeps playing, but what if you want to run a GPS tracking device and then put it in the background while you do something else, you cant, the GPS software exits and stops logging, theres heaps of other examples.
Apart from the apple made software, you cant minimise a program and return to were you were without saving everything you were doing close the program down and then load it all back up.
Posted 04:55pm 01/2/10
And I agree with the sentiments that Apple products are usually absorbed most by the less tech-savy.
Posted 05:04pm 01/2/10
Posted 06:47pm 01/2/10
I wouldn't want to buy an iPad though, sounds like a womans sanitary product imho and a laptop/tablet pc would be far more useful.
Posted 08:32pm 01/2/10
Apple took the plunge, and damaged their brand in the eyes of the IT savvy.
I'm talking to mates who are wanting to ditch their iPhone now that they realise it's embarrassing to do the Apple fad s*** now
people are installing Win7 on their Macs these days, and realising it's just a cheapie entry level sub-$1k PC.
Posted 09:01pm 01/2/10
That makes no sense whatsoever. Everyone has iPhones, I hardly believe its a fad anymore, maybe a legitimately good phone?
Posted 09:43pm 01/2/10
Life must be so stressful and tough as a trendy ... not sure how they survive.
Posted 09:54pm 01/2/10
What the f***? Who spends a grand or so on a phone over its 'fad' status?
How can a telephone be 'embarrassing'?
Actually I knew a bloke who had one of these but I don't think the iPhone is quite there just yet.
last edited by Hogfather at 21:54:21 01/Feb/10
Posted 09:59pm 01/2/10
I don't think it changed many peoples opinions either side. Haters are still haters, lovers are still lovers, iPhone lovers who hate apple are in between.
Just wait till blizzard announce multitouch starcraft 2 for it :)
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Posted 08:46am 02/2/10
hypocrite b****.
another thing i just noticed, if you type in" iphone" spell check recommends it to be spelt "iPhone"... so i think it's pretty embedded into world culture now.
Posted 12:28am 02/2/10
What price did you quote?
Posted 12:34am 02/2/10
Posted 12:50am 02/2/10
I certainly wouldn't pay $500 for what is essentially a giant ipod. What I would pay $500 for would be something like that which had a fold out keyboard and that ran either a decent OS (one you can install programs on, not this bulls*** "apps" business) or let you install your own OS onto it.
What does a decent netbook go for these days? One that can do all that the ipad can do minus the wank factor of a touch screen. I can see where the touch screen might be useful if you have a disability and have limited movement in your hands or no hands at all but in reality you could probably use a normal laptop touchpad too.
Posted 02:08am 02/2/10
I told him it was $500 US, so it would probably be at least $600 by the time it comes out here for the absolute, bottom of the line bare bones model. Then its all up from there.
Posted 08:02am 02/2/10
I've seen a few people make similar observations elsewhere, but as far as most people are concerned - US$500 is a lot of money for a computing device that cannot replace your laptop. Its actual "worth" in terms of the construction costs is irrelevant as a consumer. Its the same argument pro-PlayStation3 people made, but the market reacted the same way.
I would be quite surprised if we saw a launch price below AU$699 , which I think may be too high for broad adoption. Of course I guess its likely Apple already know this and figure well, you have to start somewhere. Its not like the iPod was hugely popular right from the start.
Posted 08:04am 02/2/10
For a lot of people like that, they've been spending close to $100 a month on a mobile phone bill for years anyway - so it's just a matter of switching of the nokia-xxxx and signing another form.
Posted 09:24am 02/2/10
Well, it depends what you plan to do with it :) The more exxy models add 3G (yeh that's not gonna be too useful in AU) and more memory which may or may not be useful, I have a hard time filling my phone as it is.
... Well, aside from "Other Data" haha
Remember Apple have retarded pricing, they add hundreds of dollars for extra flash memory. If its gonna be a lounge room convenience toy then I'm not sure that I need 3G or more gigamabytes.
Posted 09:34am 02/2/10
I might be wrong, but I think you've entirely missed the point of iPad.
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Posted 11:00am 02/2/10
I could call anyone who would spend $1000+ on an instrument a supreme wanker too, because all it does is play music?
but then again, I'm not hating on other peoples s*** just for the sake of it, as people tend to do with anything apple make
oh and the instrument wouldn't even play music by it's self, you have to do it f*****g manually omg!@!@@!
Posted 09:57pm 08/2/10
Seriously, what the f*** would be the point of holding the internet in your hands if you can't look at videos of adult catigorees?!
Posted 09:58pm 08/2/10
Posted 07:16am 09/2/10
agreed, but wern't you an iphone uber hater??? or am I thinking of someone else? must be someone else :/
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Posted 11:27am 09/2/10
Goddam I wish nintendo would just sell apple pokemon, that would be the best app ever. Yet pokemon is one of the only good games I've seen on DS besides the Mario franchise, so that probably wont be happening, ever :(
Posted 11:49am 09/2/10
im pretty sure the ds can do every the ipad can.
Posted 11:52am 09/2/10
there is no way a dsi is better than an ipod touch, let alone an ipad
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Posted 11:56am 09/2/10
Wow, you must have buried your head really deep in the sand to say something like that.
Posted 12:24pm 09/2/10
ds is pretty much a nintedo 64. it only has about 64mb of onboard ram... it's impossible to even view a pdf on a ds because of the lack of memory.
dsi i think they upped the ante a little bit, but not enough for it to even vaguely compete against the ipod touch on anything important.
Posted 12:46pm 09/2/10
I am quoting myself! When I say it, no one cares. When nintendo man says it, it's news. By my calculations, I am eligible to run Nintendo because we think alike.
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